According to the Canadian coverage of 4CC's, Bourne acts as a 'mentor' to W&P rather than a coach.
Of course, I have no idea whether this is true or not.
Gold- I/K - they do have "it" - they have "it" so strongly that even though they are so young should be the faces of dance
Bronze-V/M - and that just based on their SD at 4CC
4th - B/S
It seems to me that last year it was said that W/P worked with Shae in the off season (and that she was in part responsible for their choreo) and that they were with K&C through the season ( with Camerlengo also doing choreo duty). This year, I don't think I've heard mention of them training part-time in Canada , and then there was the " mentor" quote.
I think it's been good for them, including for the training environment ( more advanced couples etc. )..but I do sometimes wonder if there might be any harbouring of ill feelings between Skate Canada and Shae ,stemming from last year's objection..Of course we'll probably never know.
Gold - D/W - well, not the ideal of a tango (remember Domnina/Shabalin OD 2007, CD 2010), but it has become much better and the package as a whole is convincing
Silver - P/B - not because of their SD, but FD is the best for them; can't see them staying on the top next season (their program is way too similar to 2010/2009 (Circus), they tried something new in 2010, but finally had to give it up
Bronze - B/S - finally great SD whcich evokes emotions, FD very elegant (not very interesting, but beautiful and technically demanding if skated clean - twizzles....)
Not sure about the rest. W/P MUST keep it together, then they probably will surpass C/P (they don't seem to be a perfect match, he looks too young and she lacks the "it-factor" of Ilinykh); the Shibs can be in front of I/K (the latters have more potential IMO, they seem more versatile; Shibs are way too smooth); the Kerrs should be in the final group, if they start getting some decent levels and stop being sloppy (FD 2009 was the better "Muse").
What's about F/S? Not successful at Euros at all...C/L overscored (Mont Blanc Trophy) - PCS, Levels (by the way: outskated K/A there, not a good sign for them, but probably a touch of reality...)
Really interesting thoughts. So do you think V-M FD didnt have connection with samba and there tango didnt have tango expression - i understand you right?V&M-I hope they don't go to Worlds. I don't think Canada needs them to go for the three spots, and Tessa's problems should be a wake up call to let her body thoroughly heal. Then they can come back next year instead of risking damage. I'm not crazy about their SD, except for their really spiffy GW segments. In fact if you want to see lack of tango expression, check out the 2 tango sections before and after their GW in the SD. They can do better than this. And did better in the tango OD in 2007.
Who can comment on their FD? We really haven't seen it. However, from what little we did see, they seem to be using the same choreo tricks they used in the year they did Pink Floyd, coping with Tessa's injuries, and with the Charleston OD: set the stage with some appropriate almost non skating choreo (and theirs was very good here, but it wasn't skating), and then the circular step was a repeat of previous work with no discernible samba flavor, and fabulous lifts, to distract from what's missing (and you don't have to be able to skate to let your partner lift you and throw you around. The one really good point with the fragment we saw was the circular twizzles IMO, which I really loved. Again, they can do better. And next year, they will.
And if they don't go to Worlds, Paul and Islam can go. And I'd like to see them at Worlds.
OK. Its good for Meryl and Charie- rthey are so arrtisic and emotions, and musical.
But if most people think so - this is truth. V-M FD is so bad.
Hope they will show it at WCh - i cant waite to see this so unmusical, unlatin FD. More, then so greate tango
Last edited by npa; 02-24-2011 at 12:21 PM.
The first 30 seconds of V/M's FD was 10x as entertaining as D/W's tango. I love dance and rhythm, and it took 2 seconds to get into it, it's just too bad it ended all too soon.
npa, I didn't say that I thought D&W's tango was wonderful TANGO. It isn't yet. Maybe it will be at Worlds. Maybe it won't get any better than it was at 4CC's, and will never.
Taking into consideration that Tessa had to pull out of the FD, I don't see why they want to go to Worlds this year. It looks like too much of a risk to me. YMMV So may their mileage.
Last edited by dorispulaski; 02-24-2011 at 04:05 PM.
But lets us to watch, what we want, even if they are so bad, compare to greatest dancers in history I think you know, that even team, who take 24th place at WCh, have ther suppoters who want to see there skating. And i notice one thing - for you all, what D-W made on ice is masterpiece. This is good for them/
Ravensque - thank you! Glad not all people hate V-M
Last edited by npa; 02-24-2011 at 04:27 PM.
Tessa and Scott do an excellent Argentinian Tango ( as we've seen ) and they've said that Tango is their favourite dance ( which usually means that a couple feels some affinity for the dance )Their expression of AT is second to none ( Max Shabalin has retired )... but this is not Argentinian Tango in their SD. I would have been very surprised if Z/S had used it for them, since it would have invited unnecessary comparison to D/W's FD, where authentic Argentinian expression is the thing they've been working to achieve all season.
It would be most unfair to have the memory of something V/M do very well ,almost naturally , to be hanging ghost-like over D/W in their FD.
Z/S must do the best for both teams . Both have different strengths, and both have the drive to want to expand into previously uncharted territory. It's very brave of D/W to take on a more intimate, non-story-driven theme , when they excel at the opposite.And it's equally brave for V/M to take on a real Latin theme for their FD .(I'm excluding Tango and Flamenco - is it considered latin ? -, since those are only " Latin " thanks to an artificial designation )
I can't think of one really memorable Latin FD, ever..( That is, memorable for all the right reasons ).. due to the difficulty of translating the dance forms onto ice. They're really trying to go where no couple has gone before.. To whatever degree either team succeeds ,they deserve real admiration for trying.
The two are going to be compared ( endlessly ) , but if I was their coach, I would think it was in both teams' interest to to keep it as far from being an apples to apples comparison as possible.
Therefore, personal preferences are definitely going to come into play.
Last edited by colleen o'neill; 02-24-2011 at 04:54 PM.
2. I think that if her injury is not connected to her compartment syndrome, they may well be at Worlds.
3. I think if they are at Worlds, they might win or might not.
4. I think if they continue to train, it could be a risk for her. But it's her risk to take.
5. I don't think their programs are bad. I just didn't love their first step sequence in the FD. I liked the rest of the FD, that we saw.
6. The SD for me was a mixed grill. I loved their GW and hated their tango. If it were me, I'd have them do a waltz or quickstep for the second half of the SD. But then I am either neutral toward, dislike or hate almost all the SD's this year.
V-M made smart dessigion. They use romantic SD, wich based on movie story and they show that times very well.
They dont need Argentin tango, because they did it before and honestly - it will be too bad for D-W, if V-M will skate an Argentinian Tango in this season. So they use European tango. There is not only AG they could dance.
And they use different style in FD. Some people love only romantic programs for them - they show them SD, someone - want something new, they made FD for them.
I ask people, who talk about how bad V-M FD is, who made best latin dance on ice. I dont talk about T-D, because they used rhumba, not fast rithm.
The only chance for Z=S to show D-W are better, then V-M - to made for V-M programs, wich will not show reall lines, postures, musicality. For example, like Dom-Shab last seaon OD.
But like i sadi before, D-W are clear favors for WCh gold. But i wish to see V-M programs one more time. And hope they will be at World Team Throhe
As for SD. Like i know, you hate tango at all. So for me its werid, thaT tango from Meryl-Charlie are masterpiese and V-M tango you hate.
Why you never hate anithing, what D-W did?
OK. Its your point. But for me its a little look not impartial, when you made your first post about V-M and now try to show, that you are not uber, who blame down other competitiors
All I want is to see C&L skate again (it would be a gift from Heaven if they skated well), I definitely missed them this season. A distant second would be seeing V&M samba. I'm not too picky about placements this year, but it would be nice to see DW finally get that gold
I'm hoping C/L skate well , too. But I'm not really keen on their FD as seen at their recent competition..So I'm hoping for a real resurgence next year. I'm thinking there may have to be a further coaching change ?