I'm hoping for gold for Davis & White!
Of course, any wish is fine in a "What do you want to see thread". If you want to see W&P in 11th or 20th for that matter, beabstress, that would be fine, from a rules point of view. But it isn't likely, and when you wish for something unlikely people will tell you it's not likely.. which is also not against the rules.
OTOH, the rules specifically prohibit posters from insulting you, whatever you post.
Last edited by dorispulaski; 03-10-2011 at 02:48 PM.
I believe Joesitz is referring to people who believe ISU rules should be followed in fairness for all skaters as opposed to those who believe otherwise.
In their FD, W/P did lose their spin when his foot got caught in her skirt. But they also blew a lift, and that had nothing to do with the first mistake.
As for FD determines the final placement, that's simply not true. Where did you get that idea? It's always a combination of the different phases of the competition in Figure Skating that determines the winner and the SD/SP sets you for the long, therefore, are often considered quite important even though they count for less marks. D/W won the FD at last year's World but lost the Championship title to V/M. Similarly, V/M won the FD at the 2008 World Championship, but finished 2nd overall.
And Domnina / Shabalin lost the FD and the OD at 2010 Europeans and yet won (due to winning the CD by a great deal).
I just can't get into the Winner of the Points takes the Gold Medal in Figure Skating. There is so much to the Sport which has no numerical value. Without going into details, I can't abide by scores from one Panel as being equal to the scores of another Panel. Personal Bests are in the mind of the beholder, and do not need points. It's a gimmick to butch up the sport.
However, there are good points in CoP which should be retained, and maybe combined with the good points of the 6.0. In other words, I would like to see a revision of some strange items in CoP.
Back on Ice Dance. I'd like to see if V/M can make me believe they can get the rhythm of the Samba.
I dont think they will come 11th at Worlds but I think they will be in the low part of the top 10 more likely than top 5. Weaver & Poje have never even beaten Crone & Poirier, and C&P probably wont be top 5 at Worlds this year. Now that Failla & Scali have withdrawn it is still fairly likely W&P will end up only 8th or 9th. The top 4 from Europeans and the top 3 from Four Continents plus V&M (if they skate) would all seem fairly likely to beat them. And atleast half of those are certain to beat them.
Lastly W&P are not a "new team". This season is their 5th on the senior scene and their first senior Worlds was way back in 2007. There are alot of newer teams than them who are expected to place above them at Worlds. As for the PCS bump more likely after blowing a big chance to make a move upwards at 4CCs they have done nothing to gain any momentum with the judges going into Worlds.
Last edited by pangtongfan; 03-12-2011 at 11:17 AM.
(Beabstress' complaint is altogether different, of course. I second Dorix P's response.)
Of course, I assume that when trying to project what any team's chances are, we're thinking of the teams all having good clean skates..(ice is slippery, but there's no predicting when that will play a part ). And of course, this is a wish thread ,so as doris said ,anyone can wish anything they want..
That said, I know I usually wind up letting my idea of what I think is likely to temper my wishes.
So, pangtongfan.. If 9-10 are your wishes for W/P , that's one thing, but you seem to be trying to make a rational case for a prediction. If so, I don't know why you think W/P should only expect to finish behind the entire 4CC podium and the European top 4.
They placed ahead of I/K at NHK , and though they haven't met K/K yet , those two SD's are easy to compare from a fan's PoV , both being waltz/quickstep..and I don't think there's much doubt that W/P's is superior , if we're being entirely objective.
There's not much point in bringing up their secondary mistakes at 4CC , since even with those mistakes, if they had not lost the spin, they would have had the silver medal.I agree 5th is probably the very best they could achieve ( and why wouldn't they then make that their goal ?) but they are very competitive with K/K, C/P,S/S, I/K , H/Z ( in skill and material )..it would have to be very bad luck to finish behind all of them.
I don't wish bad luck on any of them , but I wish for a finish closer to 5 than to 10 for W/P. And I also think it's reasonably possible.
Last edited by colleen o'neill; 03-12-2011 at 02:39 PM.
Weaver & Poje have never beaten Virtue & Moir, Davis & White, Pechalat & Bourzat, Bobrova & Soloviev, Kerr & Kerr,or even Croner & Poirier in any head to head competition. They were beaten by the Shibutanis in 2 of 3 head competitions, and havent beaten them in a free dance all season. There is no logical reason whatsoever to assume they are "likely" to beat any of those teams. The Kerrs skating at they did at Europeans would easily beat W&P from Four Continents, so again no indication of W&P moving ahead. I&K are a bit more unknown but I&K's free dance at Europeans was far stronger than any W&P have done this season, and they are a younger team improving quickly. So 8th or 9th is their most likely finish. Of course it is possible they could finish a couple spots higher but also possible they could finish lower if they make mistakes (which they are prone too).
I never said I wished for a certain position for them. I am Canadian so I would like to see them do as well as possible. However it is foolish to say my prediction of a 8th or 9th as the most likely result or that a top 5 is more likely is out of line. Crone & Poirier are clearly above W&P consistently and even they are arguably not likely to make the top 5 at Worlds if V&M skate. That doesnt mean I have a problem with their aiming for that result.