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    Grats to the medalists. For the three American ladies: I'm very happy for Mirai's clean program, hopefully she can continue to maximize her potential like today. I was hoping for a clean Czisny, but obviously that didn't happen. Still, Czisny was absolutely gorgeous and I hope she brings the best at the Worlds. As for Rachael, I really like her short program but her long program needs to improve. Still, great job today and I really admire her for being so consistent with her jumps.

    As for the competition, good to see last how-many-was-it skaters go (relatively) clean. However, I found scoring especially in the last group to be very inflated. Thought scores weren't going to go over 130 unless it was like Yu-Na Kim going clean with quality jumps and everything, but it seems like the judges want to see high scores.

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    I don't necessarily see higher PCS scores compared to last year (ex. Ando had 61.60 @ Olympics) it seems to me that judges are giving out GOEs like candies.

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    Does anyone know why very few ladies are doing triple-triple combo this year? I am just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magicalwords View Post
    Grats to the medalists. For the three American ladies: I'm very happy for Mirai's clean program, hopefully she can continue to maximize her potential like today. I was hoping for a clean Czisny, but obviously that didn't happen. Still, Czisny was absolutely gorgeous and I hope she brings the best at the Worlds. As for Rachael, I really like her short program but her long program needs to improve. Still, great job today and I really admire her for being so consistent with her jumps.

    As for the competition, good to see last how-many-was-it skaters go (relatively) clean. However, I found scoring especially in the last group to be very inflated. Thought scores weren't going to go over 130 unless it was like Yu-Na Kim going clean with quality jumps and everything, but it seems like the judges want to see high scores.

    @Krislite
    I don't necessarily see higher PCS scores compared to last year (ex. Ando had 61.60 @ Olympics) it seems to me that judges are giving out GOEs like candies.
    Maybe, but I think here the GOE were well deserved. This 4CC actually was quite impressive with the top four all handing in clean (give or take a few errors) performances with really nice jumps.

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    Congrats to Miki, Mao and Mirai they were all fabulous!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CARA View Post
    Does anyone know why very few ladies are doing triple-triple combo this year? I am just curious.
    Yeah, good question. Although... none of these ladies were doing them consistently last year either aside from Rachael right? I think Rachael nixed her 3 flip 3 toe because she was reworking her technique on her flip or something.

    I can't remember if Miki had a 3-3 last year. Of the three Olympic medalists, only Yuna had a 3-3 but of course, Mao had her 3as.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CARA View Post
    Does anyone know why very few ladies are doing triple-triple combo this year? I am just curious.
    Rachael has praticed a 3F-3T all year, but she's never been able to get the speed to do the second jump. Mao has a history of URing the second jump, so 3-3 has been difficult for her. Miki is going the clean route, I think, but she's capable of a 3Z-3L. Mirai also can do a 3Z-3T, but she never really been that consistant with it.

    That said, a bunch of skaters (Ksenia, Alena, Kiira, Carolina, Kanako and Agnes) have done a 3T-3T this year.

    Christina Gao can do a 3F-3T while Adelina does a 3Z-3L, but they're in juniors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    Yes, I think clean programs are coming into play here.

    I compared Yuna's 2009 Worlds score with Miki's score here. (Though I know they are not exactly comparable, but I use them because in both cases both women broke 200).. Yuna actually had less tech content as she had an invalid spin and she bouched the 3S so only 4 clean tripe jumps while Miki had five. Miki also had more of a backloaded program than Yuna did. As a result Miki's TES (73.03) was about ten points higher than Yu-na's (63.19)

    Also Miki's +GOE is pretty impressive (13.37) compared to Yuna's in 2009 (10.30)

    But Yuna had better PCS (68) than MIki did here (61).

    So clearly Yuna will likely outshine Miki on PCS and artistry at Worlds, but Miki has been so clean, something, with the exception of the Olympics, Yuna has not. (She's always made a little mistake or two such as the botched 3S in 2009 and the weird waltz jump and fall on the 3S in 2010)

    It will be interesting to see if Miki, Mao or Yuna could break 140 at Worlds LP.
    I just looked at the protocol and I'm shocked Miki's got several +3 GOE on her SPINS! I get the +1 or +2 on the jumps, but spins? Just looking at her GOE's she got a total of 13.37 points of GOE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    Rachael has praticed a 3F-3T all year, but she's never been able to get the speed to do the second jump. Mao has a history of URing the second jump, so 3-3 has been difficult for her. Miki is going the clean route, I think, but she's capable of a 3Z-3L. Mirai also can do a 3Z-3T, but she never really been that consistant with it.

    That said, a bunch of skaters (Ksenia, Alena, Kiira, Carolina, Kanako and Agnes) have done a 3T-3T this year.

    Christina Gao can do a 3F-3T while Adelina does a 3Z-3L, but they're in juniors.
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    I think the judges are less conserved about giving out +3 GOEs since they introduces different factors for elements, but I'll have to wait till I see Miki's LP to say anything about this specific protocol..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krislite View Post
    I just looked at the protocol and I'm shocked Miki's got several +3 GOE on her SPINS! I get the +1 or +2 on the jumps, but spins? Just looking at her GOE's she got a total of 13.37 points of GOE!
    Miki's spins were pretty good, I thought. I don't know about +3 but they were good. Having watched Miki for years I really am amazed how much she was improved her spins and her stretch and non jump elements in general over the years. It is clear how determined she she is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    Maybe, but I think here the GOE were well deserved. This 4CC actually was quite impressive with the top four all handing in clean (give or take a few errors) performances with really nice jumps.
    I agree with how impressive 4CC has been with many skaters going (relatively) clean, but I still think GOEs given @ this competition were generally high and generous. I understand that it's not fair to compare results from two different competitions, but taking Yu-Na Kim as an example (though she didn't compete here, since I consider her jumps to be the best in the field right now), having +2 all over the board (and some +3's) was almost unseen even for Kim, except for her 3-3 combination. Not to discredit the skaters today or anything, though.

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    Okay, why is this not on t.v. its the biggest event this year so far, and CBC or NBC is not covering it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by magicalwords View Post
    I agree with how impressive 4CC has been with many skaters going (relatively) clean, but I still think GOEs given @ this competition were generally high and generous. I understand that it's not fair to compare results from two different competitions, but taking Yu-Na Kim as an example (though she didn't compete here, since I consider her jumps to be the best in the field right now), having +2 all over the board (and some +3's) was almost unseen even for Kim, except for her 3-3 combination. Not to discredit the skaters today or anything, though.
    Interesting point...yeah I see what you're getting at. The magnitude of the GOE is probably generous, but I thinking giving generally positive GOE was not.

    That said, I do think Miki may give Yuna a run for her money on GOE for jumps. She has a great loop jump and her Lutz jump is pretty big. It will be interesting to compare the two side to side at Worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    Interesting point...yeah I see what you're getting at. The magnitude of the GOE is probably generous, but I thinking giving generally positive GOE was not.
    Yeah, I was probably unclear about how I worded things. I definitely agree with positive GOEs but not with the magnitude of the GOEs.

    Anywho, watching a competition this high level makes me even more excited for the worlds. Still! A! Month! Away!

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    You know what I wish, I wish Mirai Nagasu had Mao Asada's brain, seriously, Mao Asada is honestly the hardest worker out there (ala Evan Lysacek & Rachael Flatt as well).

    If Mirai Nagasu ever wants to be a legend like Michelle Kwan or Mao Asada for that matter, she needs to be a hard worker, the hardest most ambitious workers ALWAYS come out on top 99% of the time. It makes me so frustrated because Mirai has it in her to be the very best ala Yuna Kim & Mao Asada, yet out of those three I don't see it because Mirai is too much like those before her that were just as brilliant but fizzled out due to not being a hard worker, not wanting it enough (e.g. Christopher Bowman, Nicole Bobek, Emanuel Sandhu, et al).

    Mirai has it all ~ big jumps, speed, presentation galore, FAB spins, flexibility, spirals, et al ~ yet she keeps letting it get away from her time & time & time again (ala last year's Worlds after leading after the SP, this year's Nationals). Come on, Mirai, don't throw your talent away, God gave you so much, use it!

    In the words of Galina Zmievskaya to Oksana Baiul: "God gives many performers physical talent...He usually forgets to give them the soul of an artist...He gave Oksana everything"

    And America's legendary runner Steve Prefontaine: "To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift"

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