Last edited by prettykeys; 03-03-2011 at 07:40 PM.
Serious Business is correct, but I've been saying that same thing for 5 years now. ISU will likely take another 5 years to realize "hey, we need to give bonuses to combinations so that these difficult moves are properly rewarded." And after finally arriving at this conclusion, they will implement it poorly with some kind of across-the-board bonus or something that doesn't specifically take into account the difficulty of each combination.
Also, I'm tired of reading about what Yu-Na's jump layout will be. So I'm just going to tell you what it is:
Le gasp. Blades of Passion, OMG! When the assassins come for you know that your sacrifice is appreciated.
Quick calculation shows that the base value of Yuna's planned jumps add up to exactly 43. For comparison, the layout that Miki used at GPF, Japanese Nationals and now 4cc net her 44.36 in base value.
However, the base value of Miki's SP jumps are 16.2 compared to Yuna's SP jumps that come up to 18.7.
So overall, Yuna still has a 1.14 advantage in the value of her planned jumps compared to Miki.
Last edited by Serious Business; 03-04-2011 at 12:46 AM.
It's too bad she's taking out the 2A+3T. I daresay nobody does that combination better, especially with a spread-eagle or ina bauer entrance. And it's ironic considering how many more skaters are doing that combination this season as result of the new rules, that those same rules have made Yuna omit the combo she's done every season since her junior years.
Sigh, the more I think and read about the rule changes, I cannot help but think the rules were changed to "tame" Yuna... just like they used to drastically length golf courses to tame Tiger Woods' domination years back.
I know you have been lucky to have witnessed her program before she is ready to reveal it to the public, but knowing the history of how she'd like to keep everything under wrap (include recent media hurrahs over the reveal or arirang, and Japanese TV snooping), you sure have spoilt the nice surprise for everyone.
On the outset it might not seem biggie to you, but surely as fan of the sport who appear to be respectful and familiar with the skaters and their pet peeves, you should have known better? You have just spoilt the plot for an exciting thriller many have been looking forward to discover for themselves for months, and cheated what should have been the performer's privilege alone. Seems hardly fair to me.
Not happy about this at all!!
Last edited by OS; 03-04-2011 at 03:13 AM.
I'm also not happy about BOP's reveal of Yu-Na's jump layout or what BOP claims is her jump layout. I'm assuming that anyone who has really witnessed it in practice was sworn to a vow of secrecy, so I have my doubts about BOP's claims. In any event, it wasn't cool. Besides, it is interesting to speculate about it until we all get to see it at Worlds.
I don't get why this is such a big deal. It's just a jump layout
Last edited by jatale; 03-04-2011 at 01:57 PM.
About the 2A-3T combo, I think the reason for the popularity of that element was because it is the only way that a lady can do a seven triple program without a triple-triple or a triple Axel. 7 jumping passes to do 7 triples and an Axel. I believe that Akiko Suzuki did seven-triple programs like that.
However, trying to do seven triples and the full complement of triples (minus 3A) does not seem to be a goal any more. (Michelle Kwan did it eleven times in her career, but a couple of times used eight jumping passes.) Under the CoP there is no particular advantage in displaying the full range of triples, and the new rules make it hard to gain much by doubling up on the 2A and an extra triple toe.
But the increased GOE scale of values is still relevant. By adding a 3toe to an easier jump like 2a rather than say, a 3lutz, they actually increase the GOE they can get. For instance, Yuna's planned jump layout that Blades of Passion leaked suffers in comparison because of this. Only 5 of her jumping passes uses the +2.1 scale of values GOE, while 6 of the jumping passes of both Miki and Mirai uses the +2.1 scale. In fact, it might be strategically advantageous for Yuna to switch her combos around so that she's doing a 3lutz/2toe/2loop and a 2axel/3toe instead even though that's easier! Again that's not very fair.
The goal of a 7 triple program also doesn't apply to Mao Asada, who plans a 2axel/3toe in her FS. Yes, she plans a 7 triple program. But because one of those triples is the triple axel, she doesn't need to do a 2axel. She could do a 7 triple program with a solo 3toe or a 3toe/2loop combo. In fact, given how often the 3toe on her 2axel/3toe gets the UR call, she should have switched it to a 3toe/2loop combo. The 3t/2l is worth 6.49, while the 2a/3t with a UR call is worth 6.82. But the latter comes with negative GOE, while the former has a shot at +GOE. Or even better, she should switch it to a 3loop/2loop combo. That has a higher base value than the UR 2a/3t, is a combo she's landed in the past, and with her current planned jumps she has room to repeat one more triple. Oh well, she never asked me.