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    Sorry for being so obtuse, oleada, but you mistake me, I meant his immature "Incredible Hulk" program held him back majorly at US Nationals. After the SP, his beautifully constructed choreographed "Robin Hood" program left him I think in 3rd place! But in contrast his Hulk LP dropped him way down to 8th. :(

    His jumps are phenomenal, he even went for the quad at US Nationals in the FS (btw he applauded both of Ryan Bradley's terrific quads during the warmup), but Keegan needs to work on his presentation (his problem is opposite of Jason Brown). When given a terrific program like "Robin Hood" Keegan is up there with the best in the world, he just needs the right program.

    Anyhow, this young man is one to watch that's for sure.

    And as an American, I have to say I am proud of ALL three ~ Keegan, Aaron, and Jason ~ BRAVO, BRAVO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oleada View Post
    Messing having the highest PCS is pretty bad, and so is Rogozine having the 2nd highest. I didn't get the PCS judging for this competition. Brown and Tanaka should've had the highest, but the first doesn't have a 3A and the latter was pretty unknown coming in, so, of course they don't get it. Ridiculous.
    This wouldn't be the first time where the PCS are little off in order to ensure that the order of finish is correct. As long as they got the order right, I'm okay with it here. As great as Jason Brown is, I don't think he should be placing any higher than he is right now.

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    Wow, congrats to Canada, Japan and Sweden! No US or Russian medals

    Sweden's first junior worlds medal Well done Sasha

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    Quote Originally Posted by gold12345 View Post
    This wouldn't be the first time where the PCS are little off in order to ensure that the order of finish is correct. As long as they got the order right, I'm okay with it here. As great as Jason Brown is, I don't think he should be placing any higher than he is right now.
    Jason Brown's PCS would have to be higher by 2.05 points for him to move up over Han Yan. And by all accounts, Han Yan also deserved higher PCS (his PCS in the FS is tied with Jason Brown's, and they're both quality skaters lacking the 3axel). Han Yan's PCS would have to be higher by 6.43 for him to place over Max Aaron in the final results. In my opinion, both Brown and Yan deserved much higher PCS, which wouldn't have changed the final rankings.

    On the other hand, if Keegan Messing had lost 1.15 or more points on his FS PCS, he'd be in 5th place instead of Max Aaron. But given the disastrous FS he put out that would hardly be a travesty. As it is, Messing is only 0.64 points away from being on the podium. Which doesn't seem to reflect the competition that took place.

    Also, words cannot express how much I disagree with the idea that PCS should be fudged around with to ensure some general feeling of "the right ranking". Things should be scored correctly and accurately, then tallied up. If that's done for all the elements for all the skaters, the ranking it produces will be exactly the right one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oleada View Post
    Gordey Gorshkov was also great. He's more artistic than the current Russian men and landed a 3A.
    Such a shame that he had a really worse SP here.
    But happy that he landed his 3A!!!
    I absolutly love this boy. A russian boy who is enjoyable to watch.

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    Entries for next season!

    Canada retains its 2 spots. Second Canadian Liam Firus finished only 20th. So despite having the champion, America's hat only gets 2 entries next year.

    Despite the fact that Alexander Majorov vastly improved his finish from last season's 8th place to bronze at these championships, the fact that Ondrej Spiegl finished 27th means Sweden is back down to one guy next season.

    With the Russian men having a bit of a meltdown in the FS, Russia drops from 3 spots to 2 for next season.

    Japan just about hangs onto its 3 spots, with Keiji Tanaka finishing 2nd and Ryuichi Kihara finishing 10th. If either had finish 2 places lower, or didn't dramatically improve on their SP rankings, Japan would've dropped a spot.

    Despite missing the podium, the US men manage to crowd enough of the top 10 to ensure 3 spots next season.

    With Abzal Rakimgaliev dropping out of the top 10 after the FS, Kazakhstan goes down from two spots to one. Although this season they did not even use up their second slot, with Denis Ten either opting to focus on senior worlds or is out with an injury.

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    Sweden keeps 2 spots. The point for FNR is 18. With Majorov's 3rd place, they have 21 points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMURA View Post
    Sweden keeps 2 spots. The point for FNR is 18. With Majorov's 3rd place, they have 21 points.
    I did not know that rule. Thank you for telling me!

    And a ranking below 16 will still count only as 16 points. The more you know™.
    Last edited by Serious Business; 03-05-2011 at 04:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oleada View Post
    Tanaka was robbed, I think. Rogozine's basics are noticeably weaker, his jumps have no flow, and even worse, he's boring. I don't know how he had 2pts higher in PCS - actually, he's quite grossly overscored in PCS overall.

    Brown, Tanaka, Gorshkov and Majorov were the highlights for me.
    Aargh! Been tied up all afternoon (here in Asia) and just now checking out the results. Bummed for Keegan. I agree with above on Rogozine--based on what I saw of him at the JGPF, he is actually a pretty boring skater and I don't find his basics all that great either. Maybe another judges' pet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMURA View Post
    Sweden keeps 2 spots. The point for FNR is 18. With Majorov's 3rd place, they have 21 points.
    This rule makes sense to me. It's like saying if one of the two is among top ten, the nation keeps 2 spots. It's the same rule at senior championships.

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    The panel certainly gave a lot of edge calls for a men's event.

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    A big congrats to Rogozine. He skated very well all season (except for Can Nats). That's quite an accomplishment for him and I hope he continues to improve. Cudos to all three medalists.

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    Disappointing results. Meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serious Business View Post
    This is the first time a Canadian has won the men's world junior championships in 33 years! And only the 5th medal won by a Canadian in this discipline in these championships ever (that's 35 years)!
    I actually count 6 medals : Brain Pockar (1976 bronze), Daniel Beland (1977 gold), Dennis Coi (1978 gold), Marc Ferland (1984 silver), Patrick Chan (2007 silver) and now Andrei Rogozine (2011 gold).

    Still, you're right that Canada generally doesn't do well at Junior Worlds, so this win is big, indeed!


    Quote Originally Posted by snowflake View Post
    Wow, congrats to Canada, Japan and Sweden! No US or Russian medals
    The USA and Russia have won medals in other disciplines at this year's competition; the smaller countries should have their moment in the limelight as well!

    ETA: Both Andrei and Sasha are Russian-born, so there are two Russians on the Junior Men Worlds podium, but they skate for different nations.


    Quote Originally Posted by snowflake View Post
    Sweden's first junior worlds medal. Well done Sasha
    I'm so happy for Sasha and Swedish FS fans!
    Last edited by siberia82; 03-05-2011 at 12:02 PM.

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    Now that I see these scores and compare them to the jgpf, I see how far ahead Richard Dornbush was. Im glad he got sent to senior worlds. His presentation, and technical ability is at the senior level.
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