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    Not to take anything from Yuna/Mao, but I don't think it's accurate to compare the scores from today with the ones in 2005/2006. Mao is my favorite skater, but she wasn't penalized for her 3Flutz in 2005(unfortunately. Who knows what might have been if she would have worked on her flutz by the time she was 14-15 old...)

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    Adelina and Elizaveta are amazing. I like Liza a touch better; she's an expressive firecracker on the ice. Congrats to both.

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    That crowd was amazing. What a wonderful place to skate. No wonder Agnes looked thrilled.

    Wouldn't it be nice if she could go to Rohene (Jason's choreographer) for her programs next year? I'd like to see her in something really different. He could help her bring out other aspects of her skating.

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    @ Mirunna - thats exactly right. I think Mao would have given Kim more of run for her money over the last couple of years had she had a properly executed Lutz in her armoury. Leaving it out completely and having to perform 3 triple axels in each competition (one in the short and two in the long - inevitably failing on one or two of them) has caused her terrible problems.

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    Any link of Risa video?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirunna View Post
    It's good to know that under this tough panel, Adelina didn't receive and "e" on her Lutz :D I always thought her Lutz was borderline in terms of edge, maybe she worked on that
    She definitely should have gotten an "e" on the first Lutz.

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    I can't wait til Adelina is senior but I still like the age rule. I like to see if it's just as easy or they are just as good when they are skating as a actual lady...a woman. That's just my opinion.

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    The american ladies, especially Gao failed to live up to expectations. Gao, in order to live up to the hype should won, and certainly not missed the podium. Looks like maybe Orser isn't such a miracle worker after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lavender View Post
    I can't wait til Adelina is senior but I still like the age rule. I like to see if it's just as easy or they are just as good when they are skating as a actual lady...a woman. That's just my opinion.
    Actually I agree with you. Though sometimes these rules are just stupid, like with Adelina, who was born in July, 1st and is too young by about 5 hours (if I remember correctly, she or her coach said it). And if she was born at the same time in, say, the United States, she would be eligible because in the US it was still June, 30.
    Anyway, what these girls have now is time. They looked ready to compete at JGP and JW even two years ago when they placed 1st and 2nd at Nationals, but they couldn't, so they used these two years to improve technically and artistically and now are just amazing, well prepared and already experienced junior skaters who are not afraid to compete. I hope it will be the same on the senior stage, they have two more years to improve more and come to the Senior Worlds ready to fight and possibly win

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinymavy15 View Post
    The american ladies, especially Gao failed to live up to expectations. Gao, in order to live up to the hype should won, and certainly not missed the podium. Looks like maybe Orser isn't such a miracle worker after all.
    When I saw her I thought she has grown again, so maybe it caused her problems? And I have to ask, what's happening with the axel jumps in Orser's group? Rippon struggled with his 3A whole season and now Christina seems unable to land a clean 2A.
    And Orser definitely isn't a miracle worker. When Kim came to him she already had great basics and technique (though he still did a great job as a coach), something Christina lacks, imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkatingAnalyst View Post
    The ages at the time Mao, Kim, and Adelina won their individual World Juniors were as follows:-

    1. Mao Asada (2005) - 14 years 6 months
    2. Kim Yu Na (2006) - 15 years 6 months
    3. Adelina Sotnikova - 14 years 8 months

    Hence, Mao's and Adelina's victories were particularly impressive.

    Unfortunately, Mao's career has definitely suffered as a result of her problems with the Lutz. Instead of just leaving it out completely and trying to compensate with the Triple Axel, she should have focused instead on just resolving the problems with the Lutz. Without a Lutz, any FP just looks plain wrong/odd. Hope she gets it right in time for 2014. In hindsight, it would have been better for her career if the ISU had started penalising the Flutz more severely back in 2005. I seem to remember Tara Lipinski flutzed on a number of occasions - most notably in the 1998 Olympic SP. However, she was penalised for it as it definitely reflected in her marks - she finished second behind Kwan in that SP (rectifying matters in the LP to win the Olympic title)

    In relation to Lavender's point on the Age Eligibility Rules, I still think they should allow skaters in to seniors a year earlier. Skating careers are very short and Mao lost out on a potential Olympic title as a result of the rules. If she doesn't go on to win the Olympic title in 2014, the fact that she lost out as a result of the rules in 2006 will be viewed as a great injustice. My gut instinct is that she won't win in 2014 - its notoriously difficult to win at the age of 23 going on 24 and only Arakawa has ever accomplished that feat in the entire history of figure skating (and that was only because Cohen messed up her LP with two falls!). Apart from the physical obstacles (injuries having taken their toll, etc), a skater knows its their last chance and that mental burden often becomes too much. Realistically, a skater who avoids injury usually only get two shots at the Olympic title - 3 if they are lucky. Its unfair to deprive them of one opportunity due to artificial age rules

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    I wonder if Polina does run throughs. She always looks tire to me towards the end of her programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinymavy15 View Post
    The american ladies, especially Gao failed to live up to expectations. Gao, in order to live up to the hype should won, and certainly not missed the podium. Looks like maybe Orser isn't such a miracle worker after all.
    I would say Agnes exceeded expectations by repeating her podium finish from last year. Her bronze here was one that was harder to earn than her silver last year (where would Kanako Murakami have placed with the same performance, eh?). After the SP, I thought Agnes was suffering a letdown from going to juniors after competing on the senior level. She really proved her competitive mettle with an exciting FS. She still has to improve her much-criticized SS, but I'm looking forward to seeing if she can crack the top 3 at Nationals next year.

    Gao, well, it's disappointing that she didn't medal after being in 3rd after the SP, but I don't think many expected her to win. There was definitely a lot of pre-season hype but that was a long time ago, before the JGPF and all that. She's now 0-3 against Agnes. Since they're both part of the "next generation" of US ladies, it'll be interesting to see if Christina can even that out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinymavy15 View Post
    The american ladies, especially Gao failed to live up to expectations. Gao, in order to live up to the hype should won, and certainly not missed the podium. Looks like maybe Orser isn't such a miracle worker after all.
    Well, out of fairness to Christina, she had to deal with puberty monster this year. She grew so much, like 3 or 4 inches, and filled out, and well she dealt with it pretty well. I mean look what puberty did to Kimmie and Caroline. Even Mirai was a total mess in 08-09 after she had a big growthspurt. So I think her losing to Agnes this season was more just a factor of having to adjust to her new body while Agnes did not, as she went through her big growthspurt in the 08-09 season when she failed to qualify for nationals. About her 2a, she doesn't have great technique on that jump to begin with, and it's probably the jump that was most affected by her body changes where it has a forward entry.

    Polina Shelepen is in the same situation as Christina, she grew a lot this season too and that's probably the main reason why she struggled at some competitions. Next season they will move to seniors and have a little less pressure on them, and I expect they will both do well for themselves as they should be more settled into their bodies by then. They are both very talented and I wouldn't count either out. I actually think Christina is better than Agnes and will move ahead of her once she's done with her growing pains. To me, Christina is more expressive and artistic than Agnes, who is a quintessential Tom Z jockette power skater as of right now.

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