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    Joubert aiming for Worlds podium

    Mondiaux: Brian Joubert vise le podium

    He is feeling confident and fit, and is including 2 quads and 2 3A in his LP. He has a mental block for his 3Lutz so he's switching to 3F in the SP.

    He's not aiming openly for Gold because of the pain on his left knee since December and he will have an operation on it next June. He considers Chan and Takahashi the main contenders for the Worlds title.

    He is glad for Florent taking away the intense focus on himself. He compares Florent with himself a little in the article, saying Florent doesn't jump as high but he is fluide. He's seen Florent doing quads in practice.

    He hopes to extend his skating career to Sochi Olympics. After that he wishes to coach and to build an "ice school".

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    i wish him the best. I don't realistically seeing him medal even if he is reasonably clean the way the other men have pushed the standards, but I do want to see him skate well.

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    Thanks, SkateFiguring! I really really want Brian to finish this difficult season for him on a high note. I can see so much potential in his long programme and hope he can pull it off in a spectacular fashion in Tokyo. It's also great to know he's motivated enough to consider extending his career until Sochi. Allez Brian!

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    In one way or another, Brian found his way to the podium every single time at Worlds starting 2006 and also medaled in 2004, therefore he missed the podium only once in 7 tries.
    That is why I am not surprised he aims for the podium, everything else would feel like a dissapointment for him.
    The only problem I see is he was usually given higher PCS scores than he deserved, and this year his PCS became more pedestrian, so he will have to be squicky clean to win back the judges on his side, medaling with botched jumps like before, might not be in the cards for him anymore.
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    At Euro, Joubert fell on his SP 3Lz and sort of bombed it, ending up 7th. He came back with a 4T/2T to win the LP, ending up second overall, behind Amodio who was 1st and 3rd in his programs. His LP Lutz jumps were OK but his 3F got an edge call. It's hard to tell what is more reliable for him, 3Lz or 3F. Maybe the 3Lz mental block is just for the SP.

    Very ambitious of him to attempt 2 quads and 2 3As considering he hasn't been very successful with them this season. I guess he will just go for broke at Worlds and it might work.

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    He's the sentimental favorite by many fans to be on the podium. He can do it.

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    Well, with the US men's world team the way it is, Joubert's chances of medaling at Worlds are increased, although it will still be tough. If he actually lands all that content though, it's definitely possible. That's really ambitious though, I'm worried about him running out of steam. I think it's safe to assume Chan and one Japanese guy will be on the podium, but the 3rd spot is a little more up for grabs, especially where Takahashi has been far from his best this season, Kozuka showed he's vulnerable by finished OTP behind Hanyu and Abbott at 4CC, and Oda has had issues with his quad and counting so really only 1 of them ending up on the podium is very plausible. Joubert, Verner, Amodio or Brezina if they do quads, all have an outside shot at making the podium. I would even add Dornbush to the list, but he's not planning a quad so I don't see that happening without one.

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    ^^^
    Interesting read, silverlake22. You seem to say that without a quad, a skater can not be on the podium. What if a skater does a quad, but misses a 3A. Do we have consistent 3As and 1or2quads, in this field of Mens?

    I guarantee, if one takes off badly on a 3A, he is doomed to failure. There are no Wrong Edge Takeoffs, and Attempts for a 3A without failure.

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    Joe, I went through the list, and it's pretty amazing the amount of skaters that will be attempting a quad at Worlds this year. I stuck this in the what do you want to see in Men's thread, but I'll copy the list over here. The following skaters attempted a quad at their last competition previous to Worlds (GPF, US Nationals, 4CC's or Europeans)-there are 12 of them. And now 13, if Amodio does indeed try a quad. 8 have tried a quad in both the SP and LP. AFAIR, there are now only 24 spots in the LP, and significantly more than half of the men that I expect to see in the LP will have quads.

    Chan, SP&LP
    Joubert, SP&LP
    Oda, SP&LP
    Bradley, SP & LP
    Takahashi, SP&LP
    van der Perren, SP&LP
    Gachinski, SP&LP
    Schultheiss, SP&LP
    Fernandez, LP
    Verner, LP
    Kozuka, LP
    Viktor Pfeifer, LP
    Amodio now plans a quad in the LP

    I know Brezina has tried a quad before, but he didn't at Euros. He may at Worlds.

    and even some alternates have shown quads this year
    Guan of China LP (alternate)
    Abbott (USA) LP
    Menshov (RUS) SP&LP (alternate)
    and of course Kevin Reynolds SP&LP (alternate)

    It seems probable that the day of getting on the World podium with no quad is approaching, if not already here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    ^^^
    Interesting read, silverlake22. You seem to say that without a quad, a skater can not be on the podium. What if a skater does a quad, but misses a 3A. Do we have consistent 3As and 1or2quads, in this field of Mens?

    I guarantee, if one takes off badly on a 3A, he is doomed to failure. There are no Wrong Edge Takeoffs, and Attempts for a 3A without failure.
    I more just meant that for a newbie like Dornbush who won't be attempting a quad at all and won't get huge PCS, medaling is pretty much out of the question even if he skates cleanly. Also, I think attempting a quad and landing it allows a skater to make a couple minor mistakes without killing their chances completely, whereas even just one small mistake in a program with no quad is likely to be very costly.

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    silverlake, I agree with you. It is going to be very hard for Sawyer, Russell, Dornbush, and Miner to finish in the top ten without a quad, given that everyone and his brother is going to be throwing one. They will all have to skate as perfectly as they did at US and Canadian Nationals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    silverlake, I agree with you. It is going to be very hard for Sawyer, Russell, Dornbush, and Miner to finish in the top ten without a quad, given that everyone and his brother is going to be throwing one. They will all have to skate as perfectly as they did at US and Canadian Nationals.
    I don't think Russell's going to finish in the top 10, quad or not. He was in the back of the pack at 4CCs.

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    Well, I don't either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    I more just meant that for a newbie like Dornbush who won't be attempting a quad at all and won't get huge PCS, medaling is pretty much out of the question even if he skates cleanly. Also, I think attempting a quad and landing it allows a skater to make a couple minor mistakes without killing their chances completely, whereas even just one small mistake in a program with no quad is likely to be very costly.
    van der Perren does a quad quad combo, but does he get on the podium other than possibly Euros?

    It does make for many points in this winner-of-points-takes-all, but even at that, it needs a few extras. btw, I'm not in favor of partial credit or futile attempts at elements.

    How attempts affect the individual judges scoring is not well publicized. Just don't know about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    van der Perren does a quad quad combo, but does he get on the podium other than possibly Euros?

    It does make for many points in this winner-of-points-takes-all, but even at that, it needs a few extras. btw, I'm not in favor of partial credit or futile attempts at elements.

    How attempts affect the individual judges scoring is not well publicized. Just don't know about that.
    Van Der Perren would be at the bottom of the pack if it weren't for his quads though, but can finish in the middle of the pack at worlds and near the top at euros if he lands his quad combos and other big jumps. Bradley is sort of in a similar situation. If he hits the quads and the triple axels, he can be in the top 10, but if he has jump problems, he could finish a lot lower.

    For skaters with a realistic shot at a medal, landing a quad serves as a bit of a buffer in case they happen to have a slip up or two in their programs. For example, say Joubert and Verner both land quads but make some other mistakes, it's likely they wouldn't medal but they would likely still finish in the top 10. For Chan or Takahashi, landing the quad but making a couple other mistakes would probably still land them on the podium, but cost them the gold.
    Last edited by silverlake22; 03-11-2011 at 10:58 PM.

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