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Who was the best - Sasha Cohen or Shizuka Arakawa?
At the 2006 Olympics, Sasha Cohen fell twice in her LP and Shizuka Arakawa went on to win the Olympic title. But what if both of them had skated cleanly in the LP and been at their best that evening - who would have won? Which of them was the better skater?
Last edited by oksanafan; 03-09-2011 at 01:07 PM.
Both had 5 clean triples. Shiz won by a huge margin, and her PCS should be about 10 points higher than Sasha, not 1.5.
If both had skated cleanly and at their best, Shizuka would break 140, Sasha would be around 130.
I don't think Shizuka was even a full point higher than Sasha in PCS, which I completely disagreed with. Yes, both were a bit reserved and neither skated full out, but Shiz was the better skater, more complete skater and made less mistakes. Technically she didn't make any mistakes. Sasha made 3 and it did disrupt the flow of her program, IMO. I sort of felt like Shiz was skating to stay on the podium, not win, while Sasha was skating scared to death she'd lose Gold.
But even if both (and Irina) had skated their full content clean, I think the podium would've been the same, maybe swap Sasha and Irina, just because I think Irina would've been propped up big time in PCS.
the top capability of each skater X the probability of them hitting it
Shizuka wins, in my eyes. I love Sasha, but I think Shizuka would have had a higher probability of going clean even if she had to turn it up a notch, whereas Sasha doing better than she did had a low probability anyway.
Who cares about maximum potential if you have a near zero-probability of realistically reaching it?
There can be many different forms of clean. A totally clean Kwan would beat a clean Lipinski 90% of the time when they were serious rivals but not at the 98 Olympics.
However if all 3 of Arakawa, Slutskaya, and Cohen had skated not only cleanly but their best with their max realistic content and overall sureness and performance quality the podium would have been:
1) Slutskaya or Arakawa
Irina and Shizuka skating their best would destroy even a clean Cohen on TES. Cohen cant come close to their jumping if all 3 are at their best even if she by some miracle stood up all her jumps for once, and they all score very high on their non jump elements if at their best. As for PCS Irina skating her best would probably be gifted bigtime which might be what would give her an undeserved win over Shizuka. Irina and Cohen would both probably be a bit higher in PCS than Shizuka, but all 3 would be quite close.
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Well, Shizuka was the technical skater and Sasha was the artistic skater. I think Shizuka probably still would have won if they both skated cleanly because she had a more difficult program.
In ideal fantasy world, if all three goes clean...it will be Shizuka, Irina, Cohen.....base on their jumps layout alone. Shizuka has 3 triples, including 3Lz and 3 jumps combo for bonus mark. Irina has easier jumps no big combo. Same with Cohen, also who did a 3-3 sequece and it reduce the base mark by 10% by 2 of her jumps.
3S+2T+2Lo or (3S+3Lo+2Lo like in COR)
x 3S-3T seq
In terms of PCS mark, it will be Shizuka, Cohen and Irina.
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