Really nice to hear this idea from a non-YuNa fan. As a YuNa fan however, I will say that I personally suspect Orser did instill a lot in YuNa. Perhaps not so much technically (she had most of that before she trained full-time with Orser), but one should never underestimate the psychological aspect--helping a student to have the confidence to believe that not only can they get to the top, but also that they can prepare for and fix the bumps in the road. I think Orser and his team at the Cricket Club had a big hand in that. Those things are things that YuNa will have forever going forward, tackling ANY new challenges. So to see her now, happy and confident, isn't necessarily evidence that she had it all along or would have had it with a different coaching history. My 2 cents.
Originally Posted by Tinymavy15
(And I felt very protective of YuNa and agitated during that breakup--almost hostile towards Brian Orser--but I insist on recognizing him for what I think he had a major role in, regardless of all that.)
Love your rational, balanced posts. I agree with all of it.
Originally Posted by bekalc
And I know that neutral fans will push and ask "why does that old breakup have to be brought up again?" but to suggest the opposite (i.e. do you think that any issues with YuNa and Brian would be completely different in every aspect when it comes down to Adam and Brian?) is even more preposterous. There were certain things that Brian did that made me a little uncomfortable in some of his interactions/dealings with YuNa, and then the Kiss N Cry thing with Adam...well, they both found some reason to leave, it's not totally out of line to wonder if some of the issues for both skaters wouldn't overlap.
Last edited by prettykeys; 04-02-2011 at 10:38 AM.
Yes, but having a Junior Champ under your wing is quite different than having the Olympic champ. Yuna's early coaches deserve credit but so does Brian. He helped her through her injuries and made her into a stronger skater overall. Most importantly, she was given an environment to flourish. Another coach could have done it but we can never know because the only way to know for sure if we can rewrite the last four years with a different coach, but that's impossible.
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It seems to me the people who argued "Brian made Yuna" were every bit as silly as the ones who argued "Yuna made Brian"
I hope this is a good move for all concerned, and I hope if there are any hard feelings , they all keep quiet about it... With Adam staying at the club , it seems it's not an emtional issue for anyone.
Really? From a boring and tired school girl in 2006 who was so fed up with her sport and plagued by injuries to the Olympic Champion in 2010? You honestly think the training overload method that her Korean coaches were bombarding her with was working until Orser taught her to step back and less can be more means she could won without Orser? Oh and before you suggest you mean to say she could have gone to a different coach in the 2009-10 season instead and still won, let me remind you of what happened to Michelle Kwan when she made an Olympic season coach change - No Olympic Gold
Originally Posted by bekalc
I think some Yu-Na fans are so obsessed that they think Yu-Na Kim is super human. :sheesh:
If Adam Rippon can't land Triple Axel during crunch time in the 2010-11 season when he obviously has the jumps for sometime already : see the 2010 Worlds and the Japan Open and his two World Junior Titles, then it likely is not Brian's fault. Because besides the jumps, Adam has got the whole package. Plus, let me refresh the memories of Brian bashers here, Adam also fell several times on his Triple Lutz during important competitions this year. So, anyone want to blame Brian for Adam falling on his Triple Lutz as well as though he hasn't totally mastered the jump yet. If by his age, he can't still master the Triple Lutz, then he might as well change gender and try to compete in the Ladies event instead.
The bottom line is I don't think Adam's decision to leave Brian is a wise one and a decision that I think he will regret. Adam's skating has improved greatly overall in his two years with Brian. What happened to his consistency, I am not certain. He seemed on and off, sometimes great, sometimes not. But the issue seemed to be a jump consistency issue, which is easier to correct IMO than some more fundamental problems. I hope Adam is not blaming Brian for his own failure to land jumps like Triple Lutz because if his coach change decision is mostly based on his own luckluster results this year, then I think he will end up paying for it in the long run.
As for Yu-Na Kim being super human, let's wait till after the 2011 Worlds. If she bombs, as many think she probably will, then I hope the same Brian bashers would learn a dear lesson and be ashamed.
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