really? so you've worked with Orser and have seen this? or is this judging by the fact that he had a huge split with YuNa and he's been raked over the coals by "fans" because of his look in the K&C?Originally Posted by SkatingAnalyst
really? so you've worked with Orser and have seen this? or is this judging by the fact that he had a huge split with YuNa and he's been raked over the coals by "fans" because of his look in the K&C?
I never played for the Green Bay Packers but remember the coaching legacy of Vince Lombardi pretty well.
A former Packer once said this about his coaching style, "he treats all of his players the same, like dogs."
Lucky for us he coached the sport of football and not figure skating.
Coaches are by nature the "bad guy" it motivates the team/athlete. But I don't see Brian as being the monster he's been described as ever since last summer's biggest divorce since Kwan vs Carroll.
I never played for the Green Bay Packers but remember the coaching legacy of Vince Lombardi pretty well.
A former Packer once said this about his coaching style, "he treats all of his players the same, like dogs."
Lucky for us he coached the sport of football and not figure skating.
If a person is confident and inflexible but looks a little inconsiderate to others...then the person is a monster?
It is rather typical characteristics of righteous men.
Ultimately, it comes down to the question of why speculate? In the end, speculation means you end up on one side or another (it's Orser's fault, he's a monster! It's Adam's fault, he can't commit!) and all that does is lower your opinion of one of two talented people.
Figure skating fans were complaining about Frank Carroll's "berating" of Mirai Nagasu in the Kiss N Cry earlier this year when he told her she "gave it away" at US Nats. Nothing new.
However, maybe some skaters, like Adam, don't need a "bad guy". I LOL at how sad it sounds that Adam could not talk to Orser for support at US Nats and called Ghislain instead. I guess a phone call to Ghislain is cheaper than walking over and talking to his current head coach. :sheesh:
False dichotomy. One can speculate without having extreme and negative judgments on either.
I was more upset with his comments to the press. Just felt it unprofessional. You'd think he'd learn from the others he flubbed with (Bowman and Goebel, but he was techinically right about them they weren't going to get any better in teh sport)
Do we know if he called the coach or if teh coach called him, or if it was Adam's decision or a team decision? No, we don't. But either way, yeah I wouldn't want to go to Dad either if I screwed up. US Nationals meant for a lot of grumpy coaches this yearHowever, maybe some skaters, like Adam, don't need a "bad guy". I LOL at how sad it sounds that Adam could not talk to Orser for support at US Nats and called Ghislain instead. I guess a phone call to Ghislain is cheaper than walking over and talking to his current head coach. :sheesh:
An interesting characterization. Often one's own righteousness is the very thing that he feels most confident and inflexible about.
Adam called Ghislain. He said so in the link in jaylee's Post #56.Do we know if he called the coach or if teh coach called him, or if it was Adam's decision or a team decision? No, we don't. But either way, yeah I wouldn't want to go to Dad either if I screwed up. US Nationals meant for a lot of grumpy coaches this year
*shrug*
1 + 1 = 2 is absolute RIGHT.
But, No human behavior or thinking is absolute right.
It depends how you think.
That's why people vote for PEACE.
As I said in the post, the announcement leaves me with questions still. No answers.
Yes. In the video, Adam says, "I went out and called my coach, who was watching on NBC, Ghislain Briand, who is back in Toronto..."Do we know if he called the coach or if teh coach called him, or if it was Adam's decision or a team decision? No, we don't. But either way, yeah I wouldn't want to go to Dad either if I screwed up. US Nationals meant for a lot of grumpy coaches this year
http://www.universalsports.com/video...a44314d8f.html
On the internet? Unlikely.
I wonder about this coaching change, since Rippon has been working with the new coach already quite some time and the results have been what they have been (not top three at US Nationals this year).... Or perhaps this is just a temporary solution as Orser is surely more expensive, I´d suppose? The coach is very important, but as important is the skater himself (his determination and work ethic) to become a champion. The future will show if Rippon has those characteristics in him.
Last edited by Jaana; 04-04-2011 at 03:48 AM.
It really brings up the question:
If a skater has a bad showing at his/her last competition, is it the fault of the Coach or the Skater him/her self.
My take on it, a skater has had all the coaching he can possibly have from one Coach, and if that is not up to his demands, he should leave that coach way before a competition. When he is actually on the ice to be judged, it is just him being scored for the championship.
Perhaps Adam realized after Nationals that he meshed better temperamentally with Briand than Orser and was more comfortable. People have noted that Briand was the one with Adam last year at 4CC when he skated his best. There was talk that Bebe Liang used to skate better when Ken Congemi was at the boards, more so than when Caroll was at the boards with her. Sometimes, skaters just mesh better from a personality standpoint with one of the coaches on their team and have a better connection. This coach is the one that they have the easiest time getting into their "zone" with because there is something in the way they relate to one another that gets the skater at the right balance of calm/excitement. Often it has nothing to do with "mean" coach or "bad" coach, versus "good" coach or "nice" coach, it is just the relationship. If one coaching team fit all, everyone would be at the same rink taking from the same coaching team from around the world.
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