I liked how Russian audience disagreed with Dai score
They are actually Japanese, not Russian. Japanese are everywhere in the stadium, especially front rows.
Men's Short Program
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They are actually Japanese, not Russian. Japanese are everywhere in the stadium, especially front rows.
That's why I said it was UNLIKELY. But it's not impossible. Dornbush has a strong LP, in general, and I think he could compete with the folks above him. Bradley is more of a question mark, but I think he can move up with his two quads, especially since he's second to last in his group in the FS.
Also ice is slippery. That's how Dornbush got here in the first place!
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Patrick Chan was scored correctly. He executed the most difficult technical elements perfectly (while all his closest competitors attempted less difficult elements and made mistakes). His skating skills are not in doubt. While in the past, I've not been totally on board with Chan's performance ability, with this program Nichols created a great program for Chan and he expanded his expression to live up to it. It's a very laid back piece, but done with very old school lines and posture. He skates impossibly intricate steps at breakneck speeds while looking like he's strolling through a park. It's a combination of all the best things about the older and newer styles of skating.
I haven't been a fan of some of the things Chan said. But this is one of the greatest SP performances in skating history. You're missing out if you let personal fandom grievances prevent you from enjoying it.
I haven't been a fan of some of the things Chan said. But this is one of the greatest SP performances in skating history. You're missing out if you let personal fandom grievances prevent you from enjoying it.
I don't get why it's off base. Everybody is entitled to cheer for their favorite skater. I'm from South America but rules for European skaters who are very under considered in this forum. Please, recognize that someone like Brian Joubert has an enviable record of achievements! We have to be more open-minded.
It is always good to keep up optimism. This US team is lackluster in this field, that is what the reality is. The young guys, Dornbush and Miner have no much artistry to back them up just yet, Bradley mature, but verything else beside jumps is low quality.
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Heh. It's also true that the people below them could punch above their weight too.
It's so close, though.
wonderlen, your point is certainly helped by name calling, so I'm super glad to see you do so.
It's so close, though.
wonderlen, your point is certainly helped by name calling, so I'm super glad to see you do so.
Without viewing the skates but after seeing the rankings, I'm satisfied that the top three are who they are. I'm also glad that all three Japanese men did so well, considering the few weeks they've just experienced.
I suppose I have to grit my teeth and find out what happened to the Americans. But hooray for Patrick, Nobunari, and Daisuke! And Amodio also. Good going.
I suppose I have to grit my teeth and find out what happened to the Americans. But hooray for Patrick, Nobunari, and Daisuke! And Amodio also. Good going.
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I absolutely agree with everything you said. I seriously don't understand the "hate" towards Chan. He was in a class of his own in this short program, and the lead is well deserved. Not a single mistake and his spins verything is WELL EXECUTED! If you look at the GOE bullets for plus points you can clearly see why he deserves +2's and +3's on every element. Some are obviously too blinded by their fandom for some skaters that they miss out on a lot more. Such a shame.
I think you're underestimating Dornbush and Miner. Just because they're young doesn't meant they can't bring it. Dornbush has brought it all season long in the junior circuit and has the 11th highest season's best as a junior. Miner started slow, but he's really shown that he wants it and will take the opportunity.
Olympia, the Americans did well, but were hurt by going early, I think. Hopefully they'll move up in the FS!
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Thank you for your warm welcome, Mathman.
Actually, BoP was wrong. Chan received several 1s for his elements whereas BoP claimed judges just gave him all 2s and and some 3s, therefore automatically = generous. In stating Chan's 4T/3T should not be higher than +1, BoP also failed to include any explanation as to why his view is the correct one for instance. I thought his opinion was scarce in details and actual technicality.
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Go back to your first post. It's off base
A) Because the most popular skaters in this forum are not North American, but Japanese. To operate from a position assuming otherwise is wrong. Trust me. Asada, Takahashi, Oda, Kozuka, Murakami, Hanyu and Suzuki are all very admired here. Other skaters, like Lambiel and Kim have fervent supporters.
B) Because you grouped together the North American skaters in one homogenous group, which is both unfair and incorrect. You, in fact, are doing the exact thing you don't agree with (not being open-minded).
c) Brian's record of achievement is awesome. Most people recognize that. People are arguing that Joubert's overscored? You may not think much of Chan, but at least concede that the title of "most argued about overscored male skater of the season" truly belongs to him.
Mrs. P - I adore your optimism. Tell you what - I'll root for the Americans to keep three spots just for you. While at the same time not rooting for anyone else to fail. It'll be tricky, but being wrong will be worth it
For all the talk of Patrick peaking at Nationals, his SP here was the best of the season for him, obviously. I thought he was more relaxed at Nationals (no duh) and I particularly enjoyed his step sequence there, but the ease of his movement is just remarkable
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Since it is 99% that Chan will win this championship, I hope in free skate which he will be more relax that he will skate with his heart, more passion and expression so the one who is not his fan like me will feel relate to his presentation more.
Sad for Dai! Yes he may not score super high when the program is broken into many component but for the overall performance he will always be greatest for me.
Hope Oda get to podium at last, he is truly overdue and I like his LP very much!
Sad for Dai! Yes he may not score super high when the program is broken into many component but for the overall performance he will always be greatest for me.
Hope Oda get to podium at last, he is truly overdue and I like his LP very much!
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I didn't tune in in time to see Florent Amodio (one of my faves), but just now I downloaded his performance and saw it. He worked that thing like lives depended on it. But my god that choreography! So much crazy arm movement! At one point during the footwork sequence it looked like he was doing extremely intricate combat with a caffeinated fly in front of his face. I think Amodio and the piece was going for grit and determination, but that's better expressed by fewer and more focused movements. A held fist carries more tension than windmilling arms.
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I'll let Blades defend his point.
Uh...the tech specialist is actually Finnish, while the tech. controller is British in today's competition for Men. Amano is scheduled for Ladies competition only.
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It seems to me 0.5 point lower is not insanely low. If Dai's is insanely low, than Chan with about half a point higher is also insanely low?
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Think this way, Chan's SP was better than Plushenko's world record 91.30 SP, so Chan deserved this.
The Americans did fine! It's just a very deep field is all.
Serious Business: I agree re Patrick. I don't know about the exact numbers but he certainly deserves to be in the lead, well in the lead with that skate. No mistakes and his quads are breathtaking. I've seen him do a better quad combo this season but the quad itself was so beautiful. He makes the quad look so easy.
I haven't been able to watch a good video of Dai. I'm sure he was terrific to watch and it seems like his mistakes were hardly visible. Too bad he couldn't score higher. I really hope he pulls it all together tomorrow. He's just such a fun skater. More than Patrick, IMO, but Patrick is breathtaking in a different way.
My prediction for tomorrow:
1. Chan. (It's obviously his gold to squander)
2. Takahashi (he seems to be a better long program skater than Oda so I bet he pulls up.)
3. Oda. (Can't wait to see his short program and I hope he keeps it together to stay on the podium. No reason why he shouldn't. It'd be awesome to see him win any medal. It'd be his first world medal no?)
