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    Comparing Takahashi and Chan in performance skills, I don't agree that Patrick lags behind. They just have different styles. Takahashi is more exuberant and Chan is more laid back (especially doing jazz, like Take 5, to Daisuke's rambunctious Latin sparkler.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily.Grace View Post
    I totally agree with you Blades of Passion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Joubert is always overscored!!!!It's crazy!
    Not today. His SP is his best he has ever had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herios View Post
    Not today. His SP is his best he has ever had.
    He missed a jump completely. No combo.

    This is a point I brought up before. Just about everyone not named Chan doing quad in SP has to do it as a combo due to lack of step entry. When the quad's landing is not perfect, it hurts the 2nd jump, from downgrade, e.g. Baradley's 2T, to a total miss, e.g. Joubert. Chan has the option of tacking a 3T after his 3F if the 4T landing is not optimal. I was so glad he didn't do a 3F/3T out of habit, because I had developed the habit of seeing that combo. Whew! No Oda was pulled. I might have!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    Solids perf from Javier save the step out on the combo. He now has the highest PCS of the night!
    One has to realize that some people prefer "Fun" programs moreso than serious. It, imo, contributes to the sissy reputation the sport has. Javier is a good skater who should get his choreograpy away from Morozov who likes to experiment with his male students.

    I think Javier would have scored much better than with the Malaguenas of Florent and Brian, if he had used it instead of the kiddish music and costume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Comparing Takahashi and Chan in performance skills, I don't agree that Patrick lags behind. They just have different styles. Takahashi is more exuberant and Chan is more laid back (especially doing jazz, like Take 5, to Daisuke's rambunctious Latin sparkler.)
    I guess one could only fair compare them if they were skating to the same music and choreo to see who does it better, but I think Dai-kun has a spark that Chan doesn't, which for me is what gives that little big difference in the performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    He missed a jump completely. No combo.

    This is a point I brought up before. Just about everyone not named Chan doing quad in SP has to do it as a combo due to lack of step entry. When the quad's landing is not perfect, it hurts the 2nd jump, from downgrade, e.g. Baradley's 2T, to a total miss, e.g. Joubert. Chan has the option of tacking a 3T after his 3F if the 4T landing is not optimal. I was so glad he didn't do a 3F/3T out of habit, because I had developed the habit of seeing that combo. Whew! No Oda was pulled. I might have!
    I wasn't talking about what Brian missed. About the rest of his program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    One has to realize that some people prefer "Fun" programs moreso than serious. It, imo, contributes to the sissy reputation the sport has. Javier is a good skater who should get his choreograpy away from Morozov who likes to experiment with his male students.

    I think Javier would have scored much better than with the Malaguenas of Florent and Brian, if he had used it instead of the kiddish music and costume.
    Maybe, but also he could have been overlooked as being the lone spaniard skating to a warhorse... While I wouldn't call the theme of the program my favorite, I like that he gets noticed for his originality, and that he doesn't shy away in the interpretation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    One has to realize that some people prefer "Fun" programs moreso than serious. It, imo, contributes to the sissy reputation the sport has. Javier is a good skater who should get his choreograpy away from Morozov who likes to experiment with his male students.

    I think Javier would have scored much better than with the Malaguenas of Florent and Brian, if he had used it instead of the kiddish music and costume.
    They aren't skating to Malaguena. They're skating to "Once Upon a Time in Mexico"

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    Read through most of the thread, but not all, so hopefully not repeating!! If I am, my bad!

    Interesting note: if standings stay this way, both Canada and USA lose their 3 spots for next year. =[

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    Quote Originally Posted by pista04 View Post
    Read through most of the thread, but not all, so hopefully not repeating!! If I am, my bad!

    Interesting note: if standings stay this way, both Canada and USA lose their 3 spots for next year. =[
    Canada keeps theirs. Chan's in first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burntBREAD View Post
    Canada keeps theirs. Chan's in first.
    Yeah, but Reynolds is in 19th and Russell is in 21st. It's the total of the two highest has to be 13 or less, so one of the two would have to jump to at least 12th for 3 spots for Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chemistry66 View Post
    Yeah, but Reynolds is in 19th and Russell is in 21st. It's the total of the two highest has to be 13 or less, so one of the two would have to jump to at least 12th for 3 spots for Canada.
    Oh, I forgot -- for some reason I thought if someone finished 1st the country got 3 spots...is that only Jr. Worlds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by burntBREAD View Post
    Oh, I forgot -- for some reason I thought if someone finished 1st the country got 3 spots...is that only Jr. Worlds?
    That's if there's only 1 skater from a country in the whole competition. They have to finish 1st (or 2nd I think, or maybe just medal) to get 3 spots for the next year.

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    People may be unclear on what the performance/execution score criteria are. The criteria encompass a lot more than just what we colloquially think of as a good performer. And some of what people are crediting to this score actually goes into interpretation/timing. So to review, the criteria for the score are:

    • Physical, emotional and intellectual involvement;
    • Carriage
    • Style and individuality/personality
    • Clarity of movement
    • Variety and contrast
    • Projection

    I've removed the ones that pertain only to pairs and ice dancing (unison and such). Chan has great carriage. It reminds me of older skaters from the 70s and before. It's all very elegant and straight, nothing excessive. And that goes right into clarity of movement. Every move and body line is thought out and precisely placed. I think he has it over Daisuke in those areas, while with this particular SP and this particular performance, he's not a slouch in the other criteria, too.

    Now I do agree that Daisuke is the best when it comes to projection and individual style/personality. But those are only two of the criteria.

    As it is, their score here is practically tied (and could've gone a different way with a different panel). It doesn't seem unfair to me given the rules.

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    I do think Takahashi should outscore Chan by alot on performance and interpretation. It wouldnt make much difference in the end between the two right now though.

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