04-27-2011, 11:40 PM
Like subtlety in ice dancing
Taking time out from the Chan-storm to review more early skates:
Joey Russell — Graceful mover, but not the greatest skater, and probably won't ever be.
Paolo Bacchini — Charming Pinocchio program that actually does a decent job of telling a story. Aside from that, though, nothing too exceptional about anything here.
Maxim Shipov — Such awkward jumps! Nothing else is horribly objectionable, except the pantomiming that is almost as awkward as his 3axel attempt.
Peter Liebers — Even though skating to electric guitar blues is old hat by now in competitive skating, it's still a bit of a welcome relief from the endless orchestral pieces. A pleasant enough skate.
Misha Ge — What an adorable performance from that little boy! Wait, what? He's 19? Well, he's still figure skater sized, so he can pull it off.
Jorik Hendrickx — An instrumental cover of Muse's Feelin' Good that utterly misses the point by replacing raucous rock vocals with a timid violin. Perhaps as a result, Jorik's choreography never has any of that rock and roll swagger, or even the exuberance of what is practically the theme song of exuberance. Jorik's skating seems good, but he deserves a much, much better program.
04-27-2011, 11:43 PM
can't come down to Earth
Hmm, I just had a thought. Not to look too far into the future, but when is the last time Canada won the OGM in Men's Figure Skating? We had so many top contenders for so long but it certainly wasn't in my lifetime. And of course Jeff Buttle was our last World champion. If Patrick Chan does it in Sochi...that'd be awesome.
04-27-2011, 11:44 PM
Originally Posted by Serious Business
I just wanted to say how much I agree with this. Also to comment that I have seen exactly this kind of gulf between first and the rest — back before Plushenko retired the first time there were a number of years where none of the other competitors were in his technical league and exactly this kind of scenario was the result. He led by such a margin after the SP that it would take a meltdown in the LP for him to lose (and Plushenko did not melt down. Consistency was one of his strengths). I was not a Plushenko fan, but given the performances, it was undeniable that he deserved his placement and lead. Ditto with Patrick now, though I do love his skating, so bonus for me.
Chan was brilliant. I find television (let alone youtube video) does not adequately convey the quality of his skating. The speed and flow of the straightline footwork where his goes over half of the way down the rink on one blade — it is utterly breathtaking live. I just hope to see another magical performance in the LP, like at nationals.
Overall, I thought the quality of the competition was pretty good. I didn't see any major meltdowns in the field.
04-27-2011, 11:47 PM
What Joe actually did was post a list of contenders, Chan not among them, Chan having slipped Joe's mind. Joe was tarred and feathered.
Originally Posted by Imaginary Pogue
Last edited by Mathman; 04-27-2011 at 11:50 PM.
04-27-2011, 11:48 PM
Last edited by SkateFiguring; 04-27-2011 at 11:58 PM.
04-27-2011, 11:51 PM
What I don't get is, why aren't Patrick's fans celebrating his achievement instead of looking for non-existent enemies behind every bush?
Originally Posted by SkateFiguring
04-28-2011, 12:03 AM
do you really want to open that can o' worms?
Originally Posted by Mathman
04-28-2011, 12:04 AM
I am, I am! With a bigger celebration still to come.
Originally Posted by Mathman
Actually I've been celebrating privately so as not to rub anything into anyone's face. But somtimes it's fun to watch the torturers torture themselves. Some people just keep on attacking and deriding no matter what, but they are the ones taking poison and expecting me to die!
Mathman, though I've not bothered to respond to many allegations, I don't think when others respond with exact quotes are looking for non-existing enemies behaind every bush. There are those who do post long and post often slamming Chan's scores today, nothing hidden at all. After all, it's a legitimate tradition practiced openly. Your characterization makes it acceptable one way and not the other. Reactions and responses to posts is a right on the forum.
Last edited by SkateFiguring; 04-28-2011 at 12:18 AM.
04-28-2011, 12:06 AM
Joubert has already paid his due. He's only got 71.29. If he didn't get that quad popped, he should easily get around 78. I find that he's paid great effort on his performance this time. Clear presence aroused the audience. Did you hear the spontaneous claps from the audience through part of his program? I think he got the correct score, and deserved to be on top of all Americans.
Originally Posted by Blades of Passion
I agree that Miner should have lead the Americans. Bradley was the wildest of all three, with the most difficult jumps and the worst of everything else.
I think this is right on.
Originally Posted by Joesitz
Cute, but it's true.
Originally Posted by beep_beep
Close race was because Chan hadn't shown the consistency that could match his abilities. Even some European skaters chose to ignore his impact in the race. Once he skates clean, there won't be close race any more.
Originally Posted by jettasian
Last edited by Bluebonnet; 04-28-2011 at 12:11 AM.
04-28-2011, 12:07 AM
prettykeys, I agree. I think it's odd that Mens, where Canada is arguably strongest, doesn't have a OGM. But we have one in ladies. That's just wierd.
Imagine this: Adelina Sotnikova becomes the first Russian woman to win Olympic Gold (and does so at home). Patrick Chan becomes the first Canadian. That's what I'm rooting for, anyway.
04-28-2011, 12:12 AM
Originally Posted by genki
i want dai to have a skate that _he_ is happy with. whatever the score. whatever the placement.
of course he's worked extremely hard, fought back from a devastating injury, and he has hopes and dreams and his scores and placement will no doubt matter to him. i want him to be happy because i adore him, so i can't say i completely do not care about the scoring.
but i've been underwhelmed with the scoring of skating since 1994, so i don't expect to find myself in agreement with the judges often it's skaters like daisuke, who can truly move me, who keeps me watching skating, whatever the scoring system, whoever is the flavor of the month now.
skaters have different styles, different on-ice personalities, if you will. i agree that dai doesn't have the purest lines, yet to me they are still aesthetic. i would have preferred it if he weren't skating latin themed programs for both short and long this year, yet because he's dai i can't help but watch and find his programs enjoyable anyway. perhaps he thought since this would be his last year, a worlds at home, he wanted to go with what he felt was his strength and give himself and his home fans a memorable performance.
in light of all the upheavals, i'm pleased that he was able to gut it through and his love of performing still shined through. the performance was flawed, but it still touched me.
p.s. chan was impressive just can't love his skating. my loss, i know.
04-28-2011, 12:28 AM
You know, I don't think skaters like Dai and Nobu scoring over 80 is anything to sneeze at or for fans to feel bad about. As P J Kwong explains, 70 - 75 for SP is very good, 75 - 80 is excellent, and anything over 80 is phenomenal. Just because Patrick has a huge lead today does not diminish the values of his rivals' scores. They are worth celebrating too. I certainly don't think less of Dai, Nobu, or Taka, all excellent skaters I like, appreciate, and respect, and I'm still cheering them on.
Just because I celebrate Patrick realizing his potential does not reduce my other fandoms.
04-28-2011, 12:33 AM
Skating is art, if you let it be.
LOL, I have to get work done too! Can't be writing about skating all day long. I wish I wasn't compelled to watch this comepetition live. Kind of unfortunate how figure skating is making me drag *** at the rink. "I'm sorry, I have no energy today because of watching skating all night!" Totally messed up sleep pattern this week. I need to get more sleep before the competition tonight.
Originally Posted by SkateFiguring
Anyway...no point in critiquing Chan's LP anymore than I already have unless he implodes and undeservedly wins the competition anyway. I still think he needs to have more *** to be able to convey the correct emotions in the programs he's trying to do.
(Self-censoring myself is no fun. I saw that my other comment earlier was removed. Are these statements satisfactorily veiled?)
Last edited by Blades of Passion; 04-28-2011 at 03:41 AM.
04-28-2011, 12:46 AM
Not a Chan fan. Really dislike his personality but I just can't argue with his scores. His skating skills are top notch along with Dai and his jumps were effortless. That was like the best axel I've ever seen Chan do. Dai made mistakes and he didn't do a quad. Dai would have been up there. He was just off today.
I am still hoping Dai will have the amazing skate in the lp
Last edited by lavender; 04-28-2011 at 12:50 AM.
04-28-2011, 12:52 AM
Wow. Not even close. It should not be anyway.
Chan outperformed everyone. No one was close, no matter what you look at. The only aspect Takahashi clearly won over Chan is flamboyance. That lead could (should?) be even bigger.
Oda did well. Very happy for him.
Joubert overscored? Business as usual...
Both Oda and Takahashi were good, Chan was excellent.