04-28-2011, 12:54 AM
04-28-2011, 12:55 AM
I love that last sentence. That's the way I feel. I think Daisuke is one of the best skaters ever, and if he wins everything he enters, I'll be happy. But Patrick is wonderful too, and he's getting better. I think the truth is that we're in a golden age of men's skating, and we're lucky to be here. We're also in some kind of wonderful era of ladies' skating: look at the top three!
Originally Posted by SkateFiguring
EDIT: I finally was able to watch Chan's program. Wow, what lightness and speed! I hope for purely selfish reasons that he skates this well in the long program; I'd love to see two back-to-back programs this stupendous.
Last edited by Olympia; 04-28-2011 at 01:16 AM.
04-28-2011, 01:51 AM
I don't know the earlier skaters. Boitano was always better than Orser in presentation. He was both technically and artistically in upper hand in 1989 Olympics. So sad for Browning. This should not happen to him. Sandhu was always wild. Buttle has never been a strong jumper. He has the world class artistry for sure. An Olympic bronze and a Worlds title were great already. Chan is the closest hope for Canada ever since Browning.
Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue
04-28-2011, 01:55 AM
Hmmmm, no I think Orser had the upperhand artistically from Boitano who was and is very stiff... he's not "musical"... but his 88 (not 89 ) LP was inspired. One of Bezics best creations... the only thing that held Orser back that night was a flubbed jump. So close!
Originally Posted by Bluebonnet
Kurt's best Olympics - skate wise - was in 88 in Calgary as well, oddly enough. 92 he had a back injury that he really had no business skating with at all... and 94 he came off the ice after his short program with the all too remembered "I guess the Olympics just aren't my thing." But he skated a heartfelt long and had his best finish of all three OGs in 5th. It happens... Stojko and Orser both have two silvers each... nothing to be ashamed of there.
04-28-2011, 02:04 AM
Chan haters are just upset because Chan didn't make any mistakes so they can grill on him.
Originally Posted by SkateFiguring
04-28-2011, 02:06 AM
Like subtlety in ice dancing
Well crappity, I knew I was missing something. Someone posted the wrong download link to what was supposed to be Ross Miner's SP, I didn't notice until now. Finally got to see his performance. If I was one for outrage this is where it might kick in. He skated that SP perfectly (but for an edge call and a minor flub on his flying upright) but still wound up in 13th place. However, that 13th is irrelevant as he is virtually tied with 11th and 12th, both of whom are also American! Miner actually got the highest PCS of the three American men (rightfully so!), he is only slightly behind because some lower level calls and less +GOE on his spins compared to Dornbush.
But one thought nags: why is Ross skating to salsa music? His hips were as stiff as a statue, and he utterly lacks the flair to pull off such a festive rhythm. Now if he made a huge effort to learn salsa, and the choreography of the piece actually paid attention to the music and style, it could be a triumph. But none of that was true, and it was a glaring failure to match the music. So when all is said and done, I don't have a problem with his score, either. His FS is much better suited to him, and as the judges seem willing to give him a fair chance, I think he can do well in the next segment of the competition.
04-28-2011, 02:08 AM
04-28-2011, 02:21 AM
I'm a Daisuke fan but Chan's skating last night was just phenomenal and I think the big lead is justifiable. I do agree that knowing the winner before the free skating takes away excitement significantly, but that's not Chan's nor judges fault, rather it should be a discussion of whether to bring back Ordinals or not. Humm...
04-28-2011, 02:29 AM
Yeah, I just rewatched it. Yeah the three Americans (and Ten) are virtually tied with only 0.6 points between 10th and 13th and Joubert is only ahead of Ten by .29 so Basically 0.89 of point between 9th and 13th.
Originally Posted by Serious Business
I think it's a tossup between Miner and Dornbush to be the slight leader of the three Americans. I think Miner did well considering that yeah, Salsa doesn't suit him.
I think the FS of Miner and Dornbush are great, so I think they have the potential to move up a few places. Bradley's whole chamber music thing is fun to watch, but not sure how it will translate given that 1.) he did it last year and 2.) you're dealing with a Russian audience.
04-28-2011, 03:44 AM
Skating is art, if you let it be.
While Miner may not be the best at Salsa, I still think he gave it a great effort and had a good understanding of the choreography. His interpretation is better than Dornbush's. With superior jumping quality over Dornbush between these two performances as well, he definitely should have been ahead.
Agreed. That's why I think Chan's programs in 2009 are by far his best. For me, Chan is best when he skates as if he's playing a piano. Precise, internalized, and patrician. His SP this year is an attempt at a character piece and I don't believe he is really able to pull it off. He's not an actor. That's also why his Phantom of the Opera program underwhelms (aside from a questionable music cut). He simply isn't good at relaying emotions overtly.
Originally Posted by Mathman
Last edited by Blades of Passion; 04-28-2011 at 03:54 AM.
04-28-2011, 04:51 AM
Just say the tape delay. Chan was clearly the best tonight. I'm not really a Chan fan, but I can't argue with his skating skills. He put on a clinic tonight. For me Dai was the most entertaining. Dai just has that special something that makes you want to watch him. He has that Michelle Kwan quality of performing where you can't take your eyes off him. (please don't turn this into a Michelle Kwan thread lol)
04-28-2011, 04:55 AM
Ten expresses the music with his eyes, facial expressions and finger tips. He's pretty talented and seems like Frank Carroll is beginning to get this kids jumps under control. Ross and Richard are good but maybe another year away. Dornbush's LP is pretty good. It'll be interesting to see where they finish.
Originally Posted by Blades of Passion
04-28-2011, 04:58 AM
Agreed! Probably not a good choice in music because everyone can still remember Daisuke's version of it which would be next to impossible to top. Ross is too stiff.
Originally Posted by SkateFiguring
04-28-2011, 05:03 AM
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed how slow he was. The whole program was slow and boring. It certainly didn't have the spark that a Ryan Bradley program normally has. His performance level was way down. After seeing the way Chan skated tonight, you can really see the huge difference in skating skills.
Originally Posted by Krislite
04-28-2011, 08:08 AM
I couldn't agree more with what you quoted and what you said! I also thought that Chan actually performed the heck out of this SP - in the style of the music - in ways I haven't seen him do before.
Originally Posted by Olympia
I haven't read the whole thread - but was wondering if anyone heard what Krall said to Chan in the KissNCry - she said something like it took me a whole year to tell you this (but what was the "this"?)...
I really enjoyed a lot of these SPs - Dai is such a performer - loved it and so many others were fun to watch. I have to agree with other posters who said that guy whose name is NOT Jimmy Hendrix but that's how I sort of remember it (since I haven't seen him before) has tons of potential!