Ladies - Short Program
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There is a lot natural talent in Figure Skating. Rachael has little: not the best body type; not able to contort her spins; not eager to please the audience. But she is remarkable in she does without these attributes.
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You are required to put preceding steps/turns before your solo jump in the Short Program. Yu-Na's 3Lutz deserved -3 GOE across the board for having no preceding transition + the mistake.
Wow...I don't like Yu na's overscoring but hate. The problem is these ridiculous judges. These judges need to be held accountable. Things should be brought to their attention and corrected.
Yu na usually messes up in the long. The only time was at the Olympics…go figure. Her shorts are usually clean and awesome.
Yu na usually messes up in the long. The only time was at the Olympics…go figure. Her shorts are usually clean and awesome.
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Y pp are whining about Yuna's score. There's nothing wrong with it. -_-
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The max goe points you can get if you got all 3's on a level 4 layback is 1.5, so she would've gotten an extra .29 boost had she did and thus be in 3rd.
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Oh my, someone brought up the fact that Yuna actually got 0.08 higher on the +GOE for her layback spin than Alissa. And her other spins got the exact same +GOE. While I don't think Yuna was overscored, (it did strike me how fast and crisp her spins were when I was watching that SP), Alissa was definitely underscored. She got far less +3 than she normally does on her spins (I did think Alissa's spins were a touch below her normal excellence, but that's only a slight step below Godhood), the judges were being stingy! Still, Alissa got the highest +GOE on spins besides anybody but Yuna.
Sure, she actually deserved a world record for that skate, right?
I really think we need to think about scores on a relative scale instead of saying that a certain skater was over/underscored, because by definition, you need a point of comparison in order for you to be even able to say that someone is over/underscored. Here's one of the main problems with the COP: Yes, Yuna's spins were overscored, but so were Miki's. Is the focus on Yuna's spin scores implying that the GOEs for Miki are justifiable? Yuna's spin scores make sense (more or less) when we compared them in isolation with Miki's. If we compare Yuna and Miki's scores to a spinner like Alissa, then things get confusing.
With regards to the whole reputations thing - yes it is unfair but there's really nothing we can do about it. Boosted scores (well, for Yuna here I think she was cushioned on the 3Lz but the other GOEs made perfect sense based on her past competitions and scores) are huge part of this sport and reputation will always play a role in scores unless someone can invent figure skating robot judges.
Yeah, I think Kostner and Korpi should have been behind Kanako and Rachel. I think Kanako and Rachel are slightly even given her UR on her 3T-3T (vs. 3F-2T) and Rachel's 2Z (vs Kanako's 3F)
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The thing with COP is that often the PCS can compensate for areas of TES which a skater may have made mistakes in. I totally get that Yu-Na's PCS are higher than Miki's, and for good reason (as stated earlier). However, Yu-Na made a big mistake on her 3Lz, while Miki nailed all her jumps. I would totally expect, given their short programs, that Miki would win. She had no mistakes. But COP shortens the margin that should be between skaters and sometimes (like this, or with some of Patrick Chan's efforts last year) even reverses the standings.
No, it's just not right. Yu-Na was off and she didn't look the part. Not in her dress, not in her program, not in her jumps. Not like she usually does in SPs.
If you compared it to the 6.0. These things are less likely to occur because judges can say, "Oh, well, I know that Yu-Na is more artistic than Miki, but she had a big mistake. So it has to go to Miki." Can't do the same in COP. Ugh! Frustrating. Hopefully both bring it in the LP and we get a better competition there.
Sad to say but nearly all the top ladies had major errors, except Miki. This was a sub-par short program.
No, it's just not right. Yu-Na was off and she didn't look the part. Not in her dress, not in her program, not in her jumps. Not like she usually does in SPs.
If you compared it to the 6.0. These things are less likely to occur because judges can say, "Oh, well, I know that Yu-Na is more artistic than Miki, but she had a big mistake. So it has to go to Miki." Can't do the same in COP. Ugh! Frustrating. Hopefully both bring it in the LP and we get a better competition there.
Sad to say but nearly all the top ladies had major errors, except Miki. This was a sub-par short program.
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Do you think Miki's spins are that bad compare to Yuna? I don't. Miki's positions are better.
This is what I've been trying to say. Reputation plays a role here. It's like the "established" skaters are judged on a different standard (with their own sets of GOEs) while the other skaters have their own standards of GOEs.
This applies to other skaters who haven't been brought up here yet. Case in point - Phaneuf. Hello?
I'll have to watch them again to decide the difference, but I do think Miki does not get rewarded enough for her new positions.
I love Yuna, but Miki was rock solid, Yuna tentative and slow. Yuna's layback is one of the worst I've ever seen. As far as Mao coming back in the LP, I doubt it. I do not think she has the strength to get through 30 secs of skating, let alone 4 plus. I will remember Mao as she was, once upon a time. Perhaps it is time for both Yuna and Mao to move on....both are shadows of what they once were.
This is all subjective of course, but I honestly (and I'm trying to really look at the situation objectively here) think Yuna's spins are in general better than Miki's (by how much, I can't quantify, but I do think Yuna has the better overall positions, centering, and speed).
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I wonder what she/he is smoking??? OH yeah probably all those Cuban cigar send to him/her as a gift from the Korean FS commitee (Prob attached with a paycheck too)... * Just wrong.....*
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