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ICE DANCE - Short Dance

Antilles

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Just a note on the skating order question. PJ Kwong reported that the listed orders we first saw for C&J and the Russians were incorrect. They skated today according to the actual draw results.
 

CARA

Final Flight
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Just a note on the skating order question. PJ Kwong reported that the listed orders we first saw for C&J and the Russians were incorrect. They skated today according to the actual draw results.

Thanks for the info.
 

KKonas

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So then why are some posters talking about 2 US judges??

I think some consider the Technical Controller as a "judge." There are never two "judges" from the same country on the panel, however, the technical panel is not considered a "judging panel" so there are frequently two members of the entire official panel from the same country. The Tech Panel is announced way before the actual event. The judging panel itself is picked just 30 minutes before the particular event from a prescribed list of judges for the competition.
 
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I really enjoyed Weaver and Poge doing that Fox Trot. It's a great dance for Happiness and Technique. They had that in spades.

I am so tired of watching sturm and drang or even sad couples breaking up.
 

wallylutz

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Mar 23, 2010
I think Marlie can move up. Its really close and Voir have never even skated their program all the way through yet. Nobody even knows if she is capable of doing so.

Almost sounds like you are hoping she will have an accident and unable to finish her FD again so that D/W can win by default.
 

Serious Business

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I think some consider the Technical Controller as a "judge." There are never two "judges" from the same country on the panel, however, the technical panel is not considered a "judging panel" so there are frequently two members of the entire official panel from the same country. The Tech Panel is announced way before the actual event. The judging panel itself is picked just 30 minutes before the particular event from a prescribed list of judges for the competition.

To clarify, the 3 person technical panel must also, if possible, be composed of people from different ISU member nations. And that is certainly the case here, the tech specialist (one who calls the levels) is Ayako Higashino of Japan. The technical controller (the one who issues corrections to the tech calls if necessary) is Linda Leaver (Boitano's long time coach!) of US. And the assistant technical specialist (he votes on whether to let a correction from the technical controller stand) is Sergei Ponomarenko (Olympic winner!) of Russia. I think all three talk to each other nonstop during each performance, calling and assessing levels.

I am of the opinion that nothing untoward or biased happens with tech calls most of the time, including this short dance.
 

Ravensque

On the Ice
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Dec 31, 2009
My thoughts are that V&M delivered like they always do.......smooth, effortless (at least they make it look that way), exact, attention to line and detail.......they are awsome. D&W always look like they're working so hard or late for something, they're good skaters, but I don't get their marks.......never have, but especially this year. Shibs were smooth but very juniorish, W&P were elegant as usual, and I didn't see any mistakes so I hope they can keep it going for the FD. I don't see what's so special about I/K except they're pretty good and nicely matched (she's very pretty). I hope P&B can deliver a good FD tomorrow and get themselves a bronze.

I can't wait to see V&M's FD..........I hope they can retain their championship. If the marks are handed out for actual skating, they should be able to.:)
 

chuckm

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Could you tell me who are the two US judges?

There is only ONE US judge (Sharon Rogers). The Technical Controller (Linda Leaver) is American, but her role is to serve as the tiebreaker if there is a dispute between the Japanese TS and the Russian ATS.

By the way, there is also a CANADIAN judge (Clark), and there are 5 European judges on the panel (FRA, EST, ISR, AUT, GBR).

All the wuzrobbing is hilarious. No one seems to recall that the Shibutanis beat both W/P and C/P at 4CC. S/S won two bronze medals in the GP, one of them beating I/K at NHK. They've been gaining ground on the competition little by little this season, so I wasn't the least bit surprised that they scored so well at Worlds.

I thought both D/W and V/M skated well and deserved their high marks; however, IMO P/B were way overmarked---their SD was better performed earlier in the season than it was in Moscow. W/P's SD was good, but not really much improved over earlier efforts and that's why their marks didn't go up. Unfortunately, W/P's FD has never been as well received by judges as their SD, in part because the program just doesn't suit them as well, and partly because they've yet to turn in a clean FD internationally. C/P (who have two of the most boring programs ever this season), got dumped because their SD is a snooze and Vanessa badly messed up the twizzles.

I/K were more exciting to watch than B/S, but both teams are a bit unbalanced: in both teams, the lady WAY overemotes while the guy is stolid and slightly disconnected. IMO, I/K will soon pass B/S, if not this Worlds, then next season.

BTW, for those indignant at the Shibutanis' upward trajectory, take a look at the protocols. You will see why their TES is so high. And remember that NEITHER of the tech specialists is American.
 

demarinis5

Gold for the Winter Prince!
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Did not get a chance to watch the SD live, but will watch on Univ Sp TV at 6:00 p.m

Congrats to V/M, D/W and P/B. Good placement for the Shibs, I really think this team will be the one
to beat at Sochi.

I will be rooting for D/W to take the Gold tomorrow.
 
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Almost sounds like you are hoping she will have an accident and unable to finish her FD again so that D/W can win by default.
Please don't put words in people's mouths. Tiny Mavy said nothing of the kind and I don't recall her ever posting anything offensive about anyone. This is simple speculation. Maybe she wants Marlie to win? So?

(FWIW, I prefer V&M and hope they win with a wonderful skate, but I can understand why someone would wonder if Tessa will make it through the FD after what happened at 4CC.)
 

blue dog

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I think she will make it through, and they will win, with Pechalat/Bourzat in 2nd, and Davis/White in 4th. Ilynikh/Katsalapov will win bronze.
 

KKonas

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To clarify, the 3 person technical panel must also, if possible, be composed of people from different ISU member nations. And that is certainly the case here, the tech specialist (one who calls the levels) is Ayako Higashino of Japan. The technical controller (the one who issues corrections to the tech calls if necessary) is Linda Leaver (Boitano's long time coach!) of US. And the assistant technical specialist (he votes on whether to let a correction from the technical controller stand) is Sergei Ponomarenko (Olympic winner!) of Russia. I think all three talk to each other nonstop during each performance, calling and assessing levels.

At this Worlds in Pairs the Referee was Polish and one of the Judges was Polish in both the SP & FS. In Men the Ref was British and so was a judge on the panel in both the SP and FS. So it is quite common, but of course the Tech Panel itself should not have more than one person from the same country either. BTW Linda Leaver, the tech controller is not the same Linda Leaver who was/is Boitano's coach. They are two different people who happen to have the same name.

I am of the opinion that nothing untoward or biased happens with tech calls most of the time, including this short dance.
I agree.
 

chuckm

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It's not a matter of "IF POSSIBLE". The technical panel MUST be composed of persons from 3 different countries, or the results will not count. That is a hard and fast rule.
 

chuckm

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I think she will make it through, and they will win, with Pechalat/Bourzat in 2nd, and Davis/White in 4th. Ilynikh/Katsalapov will win bronze.

What ARE you smoking? After the SD, I/K are more than 8 point behind D/W. I/K's highest FD score was 92.55, at Euros; D/W's highest was 103.02, at 4CC. So even if I/K beats D/W in the FD by 3 points (hard to imagine) they would still be 5 points behind overall.

P/B has NEVER beaten D/W in head-to-head competition, losing to D/W in both SD and FD. They are already almost 3 points behind after the SD.

OK, I take it you don't like D/W and don't wish them well. But there's no need to be insulting.
 

Serious Business

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It's not a matter of "IF POSSIBLE". The technical panel MUST be composed of persons from 3 different countries, or the results will not count. That is a hard and fast rule.

I'm just quoting the rule book.
For all ISU Events (Championships, Senior and Junior Grand Prix Events), Qualifying Competition for the Olympic Games and the Olympic Winter Games, if possible, the Referee, Technical Controller and the Technical Specialists must not be from the same Member and all must be designated ISU.

As an exception in extenuating circumstances for International Competitions one (1) National Technical Specialist from the Host Member may be used as Assistant Technical Specialist. In this case, this Assistant Technical Specialist must be designated as his ISU Member.
I would imagine the rule is there because if one of the designated panelists dies or something, they can have someone local fill in and not invalidate the competition.
 

blue dog

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What ARE you smoking? After the SD, I/K are more than 8 point behind D/W. I/K's highest FD score was 92.55, at Euros; D/W's highest was 103.02, at 4CC. So even if I/K beats D/W in the FD by 3 points (hard to imagine) they would still be 5 points behind overall.

P/B has NEVER beaten D/W in head-to-head competition, losing to D/W in both SD and FD. They are already almost 3 points behind after the SD.

OK, I take it you don't like D/W and don't wish them well. But there's no need to be insulting.

NO NO NO Chuck--I can't cheer anyone on that I like. If I do, they fall apart. Yes I'm being superstitious, but, case in point-- The superbowl--I wanted the steelers to win. At the Olympics, I was rooting for Belbin/Agosto...at the 2005 worlds, I rooted for Michelle Kwan. Don't ask me to root for Davis/White, Alissa, Yu Na Kim, Miki Ando, the Shibutanis, or Weaver/Poje.

At the 1994 Olympics, I thought Nancy had it in the bag. Pasha won. In 1998, Michelle...well...we won't go there.
 

wallylutz

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At the 1994 Olympics, I thought Nancy had it in the bag. Pasha won.

uh...are you calling Oksana Baiul = Pasha? I think you got the wrong Oksana in mind. Frankly, Baiul would probably be offended that you call her Pasha, because the actual Pasha once called Baiul, " a criminal".
 

colleen o'neill

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:biggrin:Oh, my God.. I'm so late to the party . I can't really comment when I'm watching on my TV. No laptop.. and I just can't dash back and forth to the computer in time ,since I type so slowly.. So I sit there spouting off to the TV ( My dogs think I'm nuts.) Then I had to walk the poor little guys , etc.etc.

Now finally, I get to unload. Tessa and Scott ..beyond Rubies. That was pretty exquisite. I'm still a bit of a dishrag after the long build up of suspense and I guess I'll have to go through it all over again tomorrow. I find Tessa and Scott's expression so natural and perfect , and they just floated through that .( Can you say enough about their edges and glide ?)

Pogue my sister called me and told me I had to get to the computer right away ,or you might cry. :biggrin: I suggest we cry together..tears of joy ! Tessa seemed so relaxed, I really believe what she says about being pain free.

Much as I love Meryl and Charlie , I have to say that I think V/M should be farther ahead than they are, today , because of D/W's twizzle problems ,and their seeming a bit tense to me. That said, I don't think anyone else should be in 2nd.

I have to run away..I'll be back to spout some more.;)
 
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