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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    I find the Shibs naturally elegant and very charming. A very notable difference they exhibit is that their holds are not very close, especially nowhere near as close as Voir's. Well, nobody can hold that close and move that fast like Voir and unfortunately they also skated right after the Shibs.

    The Shibs do so well with the 50's classic and classy dances but as siblings they can only go so far with romantic dances. I think they should explore drama like the Duchesneys.
    This would not happen for so many reasons. Political american ice dance? Never. That may require them to offend someone. Second they are kids and it would look like a joke. They are already worlds bronze medalists in ice dance. They aren't going to change a thing - they have Z/S as coaches so they are gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kensal View Post
    They did. Can't find source now. But now they may reconsider? They certainly not staying with Zhulin for various reasons.
    The guest commentator who is an international judge said on Hungarian Eurosport that P/B are going to Krylova/Camerlengo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smia View Post
    Don't be ridiculous. I/K are extremely talented and are capable of great chemistry unlike a couple of medalists here. Next year things could change quite a lot. They do need to upgrade their technical content and choreography and perform more consistently but they're capable of it.
    I agree with you, they lots of talent and I expect Russian Fed to drop B/S next season like a rock and we may actually never see them again instead betting on I/K, K/A and M/K.
    But you missing my point again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsisjiejie View Post
    Am I the only person who missed having the Kerrs and Faiella/Scali at the competition this year?

    I actually wasn't a fan of most of the FD's this year. Meh. But the Kerrs and F/S always seemed to put something out there that struck a chord with me, most every year.
    Second that - where were they? I am so out of the loop....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kensal View Post
    Since they declared their retirement after this season and there is no other mature Euro team in play at this moment, they have been doing extremely well this season. I never liked their programs this year, but like them overall. It is sad that France does not have anymore talent on horizon:(
    Yes, France does have some upcoming talent. Zahorski/Miart placed second in the free dance at Junior Worlds and were just off the podium in fourth due to a poor short dance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 100yen View Post
    Honestly the negativity is getting kind of hilarious. "Playing with dolls"? That's a new one. Just rehashing the same hate over and over again, but keep it up if you like. You're not bringing down S/S any time soon.
    I know S/S wont be going down any time soon. LOL! But that is my opinion of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smia View Post
    Yes, France does have some upcoming talent. Zahorski/Miart placed second in the free dance at Junior Worlds and were just off the podium in fourth due to a poor short dance.
    And Papadakis/Cizeron, who were 3rd reserves for JGPF at only 15 years old.....

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    I wonder why V/M move that gorgeous crazy lift that they did at the beginning of the program like at 4CC. You can tell that they aren't as crisp from not performing but still great.

    I expected something more with their samba. It certainly wasn't as difficult or polish as D/W. I"m not sure why people are saying this. I do agree that they are naturally more elegant and expressive.

    I can see now why D/W program was more than 2 points ahead. The transitions tell the story.
    Last edited by lavender; 04-30-2011 at 02:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    I know S/S wont be going down any time soon. LOL! But that is my opinion of them.
    I know, but it gets a little old hearing they are "kids" when yeah, they pretty much are kids! Maia's 16 and Alex just turned 20. Some mucchh older dancers out there.
    And if anything they're proved they can change, especially after the direction they were going with last year's FD, and found something that really worked this year. S/Z do a good job of changing up the style season after season...nothing similar about V/M FD from this year and last for example.

    Hehe, hey you never know, they could change your opinion sooner than you think.
    But anyways, your opinion is still as good as mine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    Yeah. THAT is what they know how to do. Give me a break. There is something rotten going on.
    I'm serious. The Shibutanis have exceptional unison and flow, and so a programme was designed for them that emphasized that, and that was suitable for their ages. V&M offer unusually polished dance presentations, which capture the feel of specific dances *as* dances, really well, so a programme was designed for them that featured these gifts. D&W offer speed and precision in spite of difficulty, so a programme was designed for them that drew on their excellence in those areas. The Canton coaches design very specifically for the needs of their skaters, and that, I think, is the secret of their success. No dance team can offer the best of everything, and only a small percentage of dance teams can offer the best of anything, so specificity of approach is the answer. Successful choreography does not exceed the skaters' limits, but rather it distracts the audience's attention from their limitations, and calls attention to their talents, their strong points. The power of this kind of choreographing was demonstrated today.

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    I'm sorry but who are you talking about? Blanc/Bouquet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdnuva View Post
    Second that - where were they? I am so out of the loop....
    Faiella/Scali retired mid-season I think, at end of 2010...or before Europeans. They withdrew part way through their GP in Russia which in retrospect, was an ominous sign. Sinead Kerr kept having that shoulder injury that just didn't seem to resolve. They hung on until several weeks ago hoping to compete but eventually had to withdraw, and retired from eligible competition.

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    V/M performance is already on YT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ-I3cYjbtA

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsisjiejie View Post
    Faiella/Scali retired mid-season I think, at end of 2010...or before Europeans. They withdrew part way through their GP in Russia which in retrospect, was an ominous sign. Sinead Kerr kept having that shoulder injury that just didn't seem to resolve. They hung on until several weeks ago hoping to compete but eventually had to withdraw, and retired from eligible competition.
    F/S retired after Europeans. They bombed in the SD and did OK in the FD but no medal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kensal View Post
    I expect P/B to retire now, unless they want to try again in their home country next year. But I highly doubt that until V/M, D/W, S/S go away, any European team can beat them. Unreachable and judges showed it with redicilously high scores and gaps. B/S and I/K and the whole Russian ice dancing is in the past, they look outdated.
    I disagree, I think in today's Ice Dance world, not a single team can afford to stand still and expect to hold down to their position. We are at a cycle where the top teams happen to be young North American teams whereas a lot of veteran European teams have just retired or split due to injuries. Naturally, when that happens, the balance is overweighted towards to North America but the situation will correct itself soon enough with time, this will not last too long.

    There is no such thing as unreachable. On that point, I like to comment on B/S and I/K more specifically since we haven't talked about these two very much yet. In terms of their FD:

    Elena and Nikita looked petrified to me out there today. They were fine during the 1st minute of their FD, until Nikita stumbled not once but twice on the Sync. Twizzles, 1st a slight off in the unison on the 1st pair of twizzles, then he lost his balance on the 2nd set of the twizzles and came down early. From that point on, they skated very cautiously and slower than usual. What didn't help their cause either was the in-between composition of the dance left a lot to be desired, meaning there were way too many instances that they were either on two feet or not fully utilizing their blades and edges to create intricate connecting steps between each of their elements. They also could have better utilized their upper body to better engage the audience. Combined with clear lack of confidence on their part and a subsequent mishap on the combination lift, the performance level was quite low. Even the partisan Russian audience caught those troubles and stopped clapping after the 1st minute of their dance because they were struggling pretty badly. At that point, I was very curious to see how the panel would have placed these two because emotionally, it almost felt as though those two were destined to be moved up in Moscow. But given such poor skate, I wanted to see whether the panel had the guts to put them down and they did rightfully so on the technical marks, which is exactly what should have happened. I knew that this is going to be a well judged competition from this point forward. On the positive side, this is a very handsome and talented young team. I believe their potential is quite high and think that given the right material and coaching, they would could easily challenge the North American dominance in Ice Dance in the foreseeable future.

    Ekaterina and Dimitri had demonstrated a lot of promise last season when they did their OD on a Soviet Navy folk dance which was traditionally a dance that only men can perform. One of their most remarkable quality is their creativity but this season, by becoming the top Russian team, it almost seemed as though the label blinded them to do what a top Russian team is supposed to do as opposed to continue to distinguish themselves through their uniqueness. That said, today their FD was somewhat unoriginal and they skated cautiously as well. Although there was no major error aside from a little step out on the part of Dimitri, their technical elements lacked polish and the type of smoothness and effortless feeling that the Shibutani conveyed. Execution issue aside, they could have also gone a little more creative with their lifts and dance holds, which Weaver/Poje did very well in today's FD and succeeded in setting themselves apart from the pack. To make a long story short, Ekaterina and Dimitri needs to find material that make them unique and stand out in the crowd. Their choice of FD today fails to do that as it simply has the generic image of a man and woman in love, which most people have seen at least 1,000 times. Unique also means they need to further challenge themselves technically and create dance composition that would impress the audience and the judges about their skating skills and what they can do with their blades. In terms of their talent and potential, I think they are slightly inferior to their teammates of Elena and Nikita. But this can be made up by hard work and perseverance. I look forward to seeing how this team manages their rivalry in their own country as well as internationally next year.

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