^^^^ GOE's value for 4/3 combo is the same as for a solo quad. A quad combo is done only as a means to do a 2nd quad and to add COP math confusion.
Oda absolutely didn't have to do a quad combo in his LP since he wasn't planning on 2 quads.
Maybe that is the additional value of having quads in your program - forcing your COP math impaired rival and his team into program errors!
Still, let's look at what a skater faces if he doesn't have a quad in his arsenal.
Here is Lysacek's Olympic gold medal jump layout (with current base values before second half bonuses.)
3Lz+3T = 6.0
3A = 8.5
3S = 4.2
3A+2T = 9.9
3Lo = 5.1
3F+2T+2Lo = 8.5
3Lz = 6.0
2A = 3.3
Total = 51.5
Here is what Chan just did.
4T = 10.3
4T+3T = 14.3
3Lz = 6.0
3A = 8.5
3Lz+1Lo+3S = 10.7
3F = 5.3
3Lo = 5.1
2A+2T = 4.7
Total = 64.9
eta, This also shows I was right that Chan left some marks on the table when he tacked on a 2T instead of 3T on to the 2A after he missed the intended combo due to a bad landing. He wouldn't have Zayaked as Wallylutz corrected me.
Last edited by SkateFiguring; 05-01-2011 at 05:57 PM.
It has been said, another added value of having Quad in your program is that you force your opponents to copy you and make errors they otherwise wouldn't have make. Looks like Oda didn't have to do a 4/3 combo but tried anyway because he wanted to copy Chan's 4/3, ended up making an execution error + CoP math error that cost him a Triple Axel.Maybe that is the additional value of having quads in your program - forcing your COP math impaired rival and his team into program errors!
I don't think I understand what you are saying. The layout posted by Mathman indicated two 4T and 3Lz. Given Chan already did a 3T, there is no possibility he could have add another 3T behind the 3Lo. There is really no if or but, you are allowed only to repeat two different jumps with 3 rev. or higher where 3T and 4T are considered two different jumps.
Here is the video evidence from Canadian Nationals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPcPTXUh1uA#t=4m2s
Last edited by wallylutz; 05-01-2011 at 06:24 PM.
The following is a direct quote from the ISU Technical Panel Handbook Single Skating:
The last bold part is the rule which Oda breached in his FS. For more information, please visit here: http://www5.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/p...v-list,00.htmlOriginally Posted by ISU on Free Skating
I am open to a COP education.
From the layout, I see just a 3T executed. So I believe anothe 3T could be added to make a combo out of his 3A, 3F, 3Lo or 2A. The most natural would be 3F/3T, something he easily and consistently does beautifully. I don't know why he didn't and then with the poor landing of 3Lo, he had only one option left, the 2A, for another combo with 3T.
However, in the Canadian Natioanal, he did a 3Lo/2T as the last combo, so I must be missing something Zayak. Can another 3T be done only as a solo?
OTOH, it can be seen how his BV could skyrocket if he does 4F and can do 2 3As reliably! 300 wouldn't be a joke then.
No repetition allowed after his 2nd Triple Lutz, only those Triples that he has yet performed. If that was possible, surely he would have add another 3T behind the 3F. That alone should signal to you that you are indeed missing something.However, in the Canadian Natioanal, he did a 3Lo/2T as the last combo, so I must be missing something Zayak. Can another 3T be done only as a solo?
So I see only 2 different jumps can be repeated! So if he becomes good in doing 4F, he will have to drop 3Lz repeat and forget about repeating 3A. Actually he will have to drop lower value jumps to make room. Bye bye 2A and 3Lo.
Can't wait to see what he comes up with next! I guess we may have a glimpse at Liberty, or not, due to all the schedule screw ups.