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Thread: Should Flatt have skated at the World Championships on an injury?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evangeline View Post
    No, maybe not broken legs specifically, but I remember Stephane Lambiel saying once that he didn't know a single skater who hasn't competed with an injury at one point or another.
    Yes, thankyou for the no brainer of an answer.

    FYI, I have been very active in sports all of my life.

    I was a very good (all-state) soccer player. I once tried to play a game with a stress fracture but 10 minutes into the game the coach pulled me out. He just looked and me and I told him my leg was killing me.

    I wanted to play coz it was a championship game. The coach read me the riot act after the game. (Yes, he was "meaner" than Frank Carroll

    Needless to say, soccer is a sport and not a pageant. That coach NEVER picked me again to play on one of his teams. It was my loss and I paid a price for being irresponsible and selfish. I can tell you I never tried to pull that s _ _ t again.

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    Moreover LAmbiel has competed with worse injury than Rachel and many more!

    how do you know it was not the US federation that pushed her to compete??How?
    Plushenko had competed in Worlds 2005 after the push of federation to earn spots and he ended up withdrawing and with a surgery, has Rachel more influence in her federation?Maybe they knew about her injury and the whole decision is that she would skate anyway.

    I dont know what exactly is the problem because Us had two spots also this season and previous season, it is not something new that they didnt get 3 spots.

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    While I don't think Rachael did anything wrong, her actions don't need a conspiracy to explain, seniorita. The USFS said they didn't know about her injuries, I believe them. Furthermore, why would they pressure Rachael into competing? Plushenko is much more dominant in his field than Rachael in hers, while Russia's men's field in 2005 was much weaker than even the US women's field in 2011. I seriously doubt the USFS felt they absolutely had to have Rachael at Worlds.

    Rachael simply took a reasonable chance to compete. She landed her 3flip in competition one day, didn't the next. She couldn't have predicted that for certain, no one could've. She did her best with the spot she earned and that's that. No conspiracy needed.

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    ^ i didnt think there was a conspirancy, you misunderstood.
    some pages before I said she took her risk and didnt work, she is an athlete and can have her decisions with her team. What I meant about Us federation was JUST that maybe the federation, Rachel and her team all together had the same decision, for her to skate at worlds to earn spots (if she withdrew after sp it would have been much worse for the spots).. I didnt know US federation has already declared they didnt know about injury, if that so, my speculation was fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hernando View Post
    Yes, thankyou for the no brainer of an answer.
    Then why don't you accuse all those other skaters who competed with injuries--some of them WORSE than Rachael's--of being "selfish and dishonest," then. Give it up, Hernando. It's clear that you don't like Rachael's skating, but all these personal attacks on her character are frankly juvenile and ridiculous. And before you accuse me of being a Rachael uber/fan, read my past posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    Moreover LAmbiel has competed with worse injury than Rachel and many more!

    how do you know it was not the US federation that pushed her to compete??How?
    Plushenko had competed in Worlds 2005 after the push of federation to earn spots and he ended up withdrawing and with a surgery, has Rachel more influence in her federation?Maybe they knew about her injury and the whole decision is that she would skate anyway.

    I dont know what exactly is the problem because Us had two spots also this season and previous season, it is not something new that they didnt get 3 spots.
    Again with the comparisons.

    Good God almighty

    First I suffer through the Rachael and Yagudin comparison and now I am supposed to believe Rachael and Lambiel even belong in the same sentence. .

    Thankyou for making my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evangeline View Post
    Then why don't you accuse all those other skaters who competed with injuries--some of them WORSE than Rachael's--of being "selfish and dishonest," then. Give it up, Hernando. It's clear that you don't like Rachael's skating, but all these personal attacks on her character are frankly juvenile and ridiculous. And before you accuse me of being a Rachael uber/fan, read my past posts.
    Look E, read my posts. I have been clear enough about this and my problem is with the unethical behavior of Tom Z.
    If you are a skating fan then you know this is not the first time he has tried this.

    Go ahead and keep making false accusations if that is your idea of fun.

    If you ever have time please send me your list of skaters who competetd at Worlds with a broken leg.
    Tell you what, I am not holding my breath.
    Talk is cheap
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    Mr or Miss Hernando, you are welcome.
    Going to watch the Gala in Eurosport now

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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    Mr or Miss Hernando, you are welcome.
    Going to watch the Gala in Eurosport now
    I saw some and it ispretty good. Hope you enoy it senor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demarinis5 View Post
    Phil latest tweet. USFSA is doing an investigation on the matter.

    http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/olyphil/~9TTaA

    ...and the plot thickens.
    Overstated, I think. An investigation is a formal term - they are just "gathering facts." I'm sure the USFSA is handling the matter in as low-key a way as they possibly can, given that Hersh and fan boards have made it a public issue. They want this to go away. I predict we will soon hear that they've issued an innocuous statement saying the matter has been resolved to universal satisfaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spun Silver View Post
    Overstated, I think. An investigation is a formal term - they are just "gathering facts."

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    I predict we will soon hear that they've issued an innocuous statement saying the matter has been resolved to universal satisfaction.
    exactly. Unfortunately I don't expect anything great to come out of this (unless there was something serious that we don't know about). The point is, though- USFS normally wouldn't have cared, but Hersh's prodding and fan outcry forced them into action, like I (and many others) suspected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spun Silver View Post
    Overstated, I think. An investigation is a formal term - they are just "gathering facts." I'm sure the USFSA is handling the matter in as low-key a way as they possibly can, given that Hersh and fan boards have made it a public issue. They want this to go away. I predict we will soon hear that they've issued an innocuous statement saying the matter has been resolved to universal satisfaction.
    It almost sounds like Phil Hersh asked them more questions and they basically got back to him with "no comment, go away." If there were a formal investigation, Phil would have enough for a story. Not just a tweet.
    But who knows? We'll see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Layfan View Post
    It almost sounds like Phil Hersh asked them more questions and they basically got back to him with "no comment, go away." If there were a formal investigation, Phil would have enough for a story. Not just a tweet.
    But who knows? We'll see what happens.
    In most investigations, whether formal or informal "no comment" is the proper answer.

    Any answers come after the investigation is concluded and that depends on the outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hernando View Post
    In most investigations, whether formal or informal "no comment" is the proper answer.

    Any answers come after the investigation is concluded and that depends on the outcome.
    Fine.
    I still think Spun Silver is right and it doesn't sound like a formal investigation, although they are not completely ignoring it either.
    It's not clear to me that Rachael violated any rules. If she didn't, then that is probably what the USFS will say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spun Silver View Post
    Overstated, I think. An investigation is a formal term - they are just "gathering facts." I'm sure the USFSA is handling the matter in as low-key a way as they possibly can, given that Hersh and fan boards have made it a public issue. They want this to go away. I predict we will soon hear that they've issued an innocuous statement saying the matter has been resolved to universal satisfaction.
    Quote Originally Posted by Layfan View Post
    It almost sounds like Phil Hersh asked them more questions and they basically got back to him with "no comment, go away." If there were a formal investigation, Phil would have enough for a story. Not just a tweet.
    But who knows? We'll see what happens.
    You are both right. I edited my post.

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