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Thread: Should Flatt have skated at the World Championships on an injury?

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    Isn't continuing discussions the sign of our lives going on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    Isn't continuing discussions the sign of our lives going on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Here is my take.

    Rachael could have withdrawn.

    She didn't.

    Now can we get on with our lives?
    Have you visited the Yuna thread lately, 2001 posts by the way. Folks are still debating about the Orser/Kim break up and the rumored Orser meeting with Mao. Mathman you should know better

    This is figure skating and the boards would not be as much fun without a little drama. I could do without the bashing of any skater of course. That is not my idea of fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post

    And I find it ironic that just three months ago Carroll was going on about how Mirai was not doing her job and being a slacker and whatever. Sorry, I don't buy it that she's suddenly cured herself of all her issues and magically doing 3X3 and Triple Axels.
    Just to be clear, we know from practice reports at Nationals that Mirai was practicing the triple axel and triple-triple combinations, so I don't think it'd be magical for her to be doing them now, especially considering we've all seen her do triple-triples in the past. On the other hand Mirai herself seems to indicate in one of her tweets from a couple months ago that her triple axel is still half a turn cheated, so definitely not worth trying in competition.

    But I generally agree with the posters who say this is kind of a non-issue. It's always fun to speculate of course, but you can say "if, if, if...." to eternity before realizing that none of those scenarios actually played out. Let's hope that Mirai comes to competition more ready next season, skates like she did at 4CC and fairly earns her spot on any team by beating other skaters skating at their best. And let's hope Rachael will recover from this injury and disappointing finish and that she will find inspiration in either continuing to compete or in pursuing her academic career.

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    I hope that Rachael, little more than the pet of Natls judges retires.

    It is sad she will be remembered as a selfish and inconsiderate skater who put herself ahead of our federation.

    PS- where were you mathman when a 2000 + thread was going on knocking Sasha's comeback last season. :sheesh:

    Sorry, but with all due respect you are proving to be less than fair but nothing wrong with Flatt UBERS defending their favorite.

    I think Tom Z should be suspended for a year so other US coaches learn it is NOT OK to be so unethical.

    Deceiving your own federation and getting caught should carry a price.

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    To answer the thread title: Yes.

    The human body is a wacky instrument that can function just fine even when parts are malfunctioning, or let you down even when everything was going well. Any athlete who have competed long enough have competed at one time or another while sick or injured and have it not affect the results. No, it doesn't mean Rachael or any athlete should feel invincible, but it makes it perfectly reasonable for them to want to take a chance. It worked out in the short. She landed her 3flip, still managed a 2lutz and wound up 8th. Keep in mind the scoring in the short is much more sensitive to botched jumps (there are less jumps being attempted, and anything less than a triple for the solo jump is an auto -3). In the FS, her right toe pick jumps abandoned her completely, kicking her way down in the standings. But it's still a fact that she went into this competition and proved herself capable of the 3flip, 3loop, 3sal and the 3toe. She wasn't injured beyond the ability to compete for a good placement. The only reason for her to withdraw would be for the sake of her own health.

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    Clearly it is very very wrong to go to Worlds with a stress fracture and not go public with it before competing. But only if you're Rachael Flatt. If you're Evan Lysacek and end up winning the event, it makes you super-awesome - as noted before, he certainly went to 2009 Worlds with a stress fracture and we were later told it was keeping him from doing his hardest jump. How is Flatt's situation different? Carroll is definitely the pot calling the kettle black in this case.

    FWIW, I enjoy Mirai much more than Rachael. But by the rules so many posters here seem so fond of, she earned her spot on the Worlds team. If her training indicated that she could skate at Worlds, why exactly should she have stayed at home? Carolina Kostner went to Worlds having been injured all season and unable to do a 3Lz. It didn't keep her off the podium. You don't always know ahead of time what effect an injury might have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hernando View Post
    PS- where were you mathman when a 2000 + thread was going on knocking Sasha's comeback last season. :sheesh:
    And I'd like to add that for those who thought I was hard on Cohen and Nagasu last year while giving Flatt a pass, like a former poster suspected...consider this thread. Whenever I think something is off, I will say so, regardless of who it involves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buttercup View Post
    Clearly it is very very wrong to go to Worlds with a stress fracture and not go public with it before competing. But only if you're Rachael Flatt. If you're Evan Lysacek and end up winning the event, it makes you super-awesome - as noted before, he certainly went to 2009 Worlds with a stress fracture and we were later told it was keeping him from doing his hardest jump. How is Flatt's situation different? Carroll is definitely the pot calling the kettle black in this case.

    FWIW, I enjoy Mirai much more than Rachael. But by the rules so many posters here seem so fond of, she earned her spot on the Worlds team. If her training indicated that she could skate at Worlds, why exactly should she have stayed at home? Carolina Kostner went to Worlds having been injured all season and unable to do a 3Lz. It didn't keep her off the podium. You don't always know ahead of time what effect an injury might have.
    These comparisons of Rachael to Evan, Carolina, Yuna, Yagudin, Michelle, etc are enough to make me barf.

    Talk about reading some clueless posts :sheesh:

    Thank the skating Gods that Frank Carroll called out Tom Z on this. Maybe nothing will come of it but hopefully we won't see another US coach/skater pulling a "Flatt" anytime soon.

    Wait til next season when Alissa, Mirai, Agnes, Christina and others are fighting it out for TWO spots.

    I don't think this will be forgotten or FORGIVEN anytime soon.

    Flatt fans will have to learn to accept and deal with such selfish and dishonest behavior from their favorite.
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    Phil latest tweet. USFSA is looking into the matter.

    http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/olyphil/~9TTaA

    ...and the plot thickens.
    Last edited by demarinis5; 05-03-2011 at 05:00 PM.

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    Mountain <-> Molehill.

    Athletes compete hurt every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Mountain <-> Molehill.

    Athletes compete hurt every day.
    Total and pure BS mathman.

    I can't recall any skaters competing at Worlds with a broken leg.

    Maybe you can set the record straight.

    Please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hernando View Post
    Total and pure BS mathman.

    I can't recall any skaters competing at Worlds with a broken leg.

    Maybe you can set the record straight.

    Please.
    No, maybe not broken legs specifically, but I remember Stephane Lambiel saying once that he didn't know a single skater who hasn't competed with an injury at one point or another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hernando View Post
    These comparisons of Rachael to Evan, Carolina, Yuna, Yagudin, Michelle, etc are enough to make me barf.

    Talk about reading some clueless posts :sheesh:

    Thank the skating Gods that Frank Carroll called out Tom Z on this. Maybe nothing will come of it but hopefully we won't see another US coach/skater pulling a "Flatt" anytime soon.

    Wait til next season when Alissa, Mirai, Agnes, Christina and others are fighting it out for TWO spots.

    I don't think this will be forgotten or FORGIVEN anytime soon.

    Flatt fans will have to learn to accept and deal with such selfish and dishonest behavior from their favorite.
    You are completely missing the point of Buttercup's post. Based on all your talk of 3 spots, I highly doubt that you would call Rachael "selfish and dishonest" for competing at Worlds if she skated well enough to earn back 3 spots for the US. And I really don't understand why the US earning 2 spots is so unforgiveable. It's not like the US ladies are strong as the Japanese ladies anyways.

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