I m kinda relieved on one side they found him and this is over, but violence brings more violence so I feel this will make things worse internationally. So no, I m not proud of anyone who killed Landen neither more calm now he is dead, cause i believe there are more than one people responsible for the mess that is happening in the world. Last night i was coming back and in the airport it was so much security and scrunitizing, i didnt know yet what happened, but I ve never seen such before, and today they sent a terror msg in the greek embassy in brussels, I dont like living in that fear.
Seniorita - the men who went in after Osama had a job to do, and they were willing to sacrifice their lives for the cause. No, killing Osama is not going to solve the World's problems, and yes because of it our danger level is higher -for now- I wish that we could have brought him to justice peacefully, but even in that there would be the same amount of fear behind it. There was no easy answer. I may not agree with 99.99999999...% of President B.H. Obama's policies/decisions, but I am amazed and commend him for taking action (if, in fact, it happened as he says it did. The more the story changes the more I'm inclined to be like Ptichka.)
This has been longer than 10 years coming. He was becoming a target during the Clinton era, he succeeded in his attack against the US during Bush's presidency only to be forced into hiding. We believed him to be cowering in a cave when apparently he was sitting in the lap of luxury in a well guarded mansion. Obama's phone call was the final nail in his coffin. It took three commander in chiefs to take this terrorist down. His followers will not just give up now that he's gone. He's been more of a figure head for their troops since 911, others have called the shots. It's clean up duty now. I don't know why the media was saying it's over last night - it's far from over.
What a great, intelligent leader Obama is! US should be proud of their president! This has raised my admiration for him as a leader.
The justice is done!
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I would also like to point out that this risky venture could have gone another way. In 1980, Carter sent a team into Iran to rescue the hostages. The mission went wrong in every possible way and was aborted. One helicopter crashed into a transport aircraft inside Iran, with those aboard killed. The hostages were then scattered across Iran to make another rescue attempt impossible.
The failure of that mission led to many changes, including more intense training and greater cooperation among agencies. But it was a debacle that certainly helped to bring down Jimmy Carter's administration. He gave the order to start the mission, and he gave the order to abort it.
So a mission like this isn't a given. It's high risk for the people taking part and (less physically so) for the planners and the President setting it into motion. It takes a lot of skill and judgment and a cool head from the bottom up and from the top down. This time around, Obama could have decided to go after Bin Laden with an aerial drone, which would have been safer and as effective but which would have killed people in the area and not netted the body (or the computers and equipment the forces found in the house). He went for the riskier choice. He does deserve some credit for that. It wasn't just a rubber stamp on his part.
I'd also like to point out that the plan involved respectful treatment (as far as was possible) of Bin Laden's body. They buried him within 24 hours, I think, as is Muslim custom. They had a ceremony involving a native speaker of Arabic. The only thing they could not do was inter him on land, because it would have made his body available for followers to take at some future time and create a shrine around. That too took mature thinking and foresight. I don't know which person in the hierarchy of command made those choices, but they were good choices, both clever and ethical.
I'm sure George W. Bush would have been glad for the opportunity to be in charge on the day this mission was carried out, and so would John McCain. I would have been equally impressed with either of those two men if the circumstances had turned out that way. So I am impressed with Obama.
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Excellent points Olympia.
Bluebonnet, I understand your comments come from a kind of jubilation. It's like working in a corporation. No matter how hard I work, my supervisor or the president of the company takes all the credit.
While I'm happy that they finally took this guy out, I have the feeling that whatever is left of Al Qaeda will be giving serious consideration to exacting revenge on any and all Americans, no matter where they are in the world. The mastermind of their organization may be communing with the fishes at the bottom of the ocean but those left behind, and assuming charge over that organization, will be out for any American's blood. This is not over by any means, IMO.
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Among the 79 commandos involved in Operation Neptune Spear that resulted in Osama bin Laden's killing, there was one dog -- the elite of the four-legged variety.
Here's a picture of how our solders and canine friends fight war on terror side by side. I thought this was a particuarly moving pictur:
If you are interested, you can read a wonderful story of the history of "War Dog" by following: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...r_dog?page=0,0.
Meanwhile, I pray that I don't hear from PETA.
Do you believe Al-Qaida is playing along with the USA on this and if so to what purpose