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    Who should USFS select for Skate America?

    Is it too early to start speculating?

    Each host federation gets to reserve three homies. Then they choose one skater from 1-3 at worlds, and then one skater from 4-6. After that there is a draw to choose from the next group of placements at worlds, and then a final draw for extra spots to fill out the roster. In ladies, assuming that Yu-na Kim officially announces before the draw that she it out, the top three are Ando, Kostner and Leonova. The next three are Czisny, Asada, Makarova.

    The top skaters get some say as to their preferences. For instance, Czisny might prefer her good luck charm, Skate Canada International, to Skate America. (She could do both, however.) It is traditional to give the first right of refusal to the U.S. champions, then go down the list. (Johnny Weir never wanted to do Skate America, for instance, because it came too early in the season.).

    There is some sentiment that we don’t want all the top U.S. skaters to compete against each other and knock each other out. (But wherever you skate there will be top skaters that might knock you out.) There is also the consideration that you want all of your most popular skaters at your home event to attract a large audience and make for a good TV event.

    A think the USFSA should go with Alissa. Mirai and Agnez (host picks – I assume that Rachael will not participate), Try to get Kostner from 1-3. (But Ando might request Skate America. As world champion her wishes carry some influence.) We wouldn’t have a pick from 4-6 because we already have Alissa. Then try to get Murakami and Korpi from the next group.

    That would be a hum-dinger of a show. It would be a challenge for all the American ladies to medal, but that’s what competition is all about, right?

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    Really? I would think the USFS wouldn't to bunch Alissa, Mirai and Agnes in the same event. They're too good, at least potentially.

    I mean, last year they chose Zhang and Gilles to join Rachael. But it would be fun to have at least two competitive U.S. ladies at the competition.

    It would be fabulous if Alissa decides on skate America. Then I would say it would also be great to see Agnes. Imagine if Agnes medaled or even pulled off a victory? That would totally jump start her career and bring attention in the U.S. press. (well, relatively speaking - as much press as we can hope for with figure skating which really means hometown newspapers, Phil Hersh and maybe a story about her in one of the bigger newspapers in the days before nationals.)

    Third entry could be whoever. Maybe Zhang.

    This is assuming Rachael opts out, which I'm not assuming. If she doesn't, I'd bet they would ask Rachael as she has been the to last two. So it would be Alissa and Rachael.

    Any of the top three from worlds would be great to have, can't go wrong there. I imagine they would ask Miki or Yuna before Carolina. I'd love to see any of the three.

    If Alissa opts out for whatever reason, ask Alena. She's fun. Or Mao? And then yeah, definitely Kanako or Korpi. I imagine it would be hard not to ask Kanako right? I mean she'd be the defending Skate America champion. And she was a big hit last year.
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    yey! This is an interesting intellectual exercise. Before I post mine, I have a couple of questions.

    1. Davis & Whit won the gold medal, so if I place them into the SA slot, do they also take up the "choose one skater from 1-3 at worlds" slot, and so I could only choose 2 more homies rather than 3 homies?
    2. What is the rule of newly minted seniors coming from the Jr. ranks, especially those who medaled, e.g., ice dance Jr. world bronze medalists, Charlotte LICHTMAN / Dean COPELY?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CARA View Post
    yey! This is an interesting intellectual exercise. Before I post mine, I have a couple of questions.

    1. Davis & Whit won the gold medal, so if I place them into the SC slot, do they also take up the "choose one skater from 1-3 at worlds" slot, and so I could only choose 2 more homies rather than 3 homies?
    2. What is the rule of newly minted seniors coming from the Jr. ranks, especially those who medaled, e.g., ice dance Jr. world bronze medalists, Charlotte LICHTMAN / Dean COPELY?
    Question one, I would think that they would be a choose 1-3 for both their events. So if they take the SC spot (Don't think that is likely because I would guess that SC would want Voir there), they could still get in Skate America as a 1-3 pick. But I think the max any host country can have is three, so yes you would only choose 2 others.

    Regarding question 2, I believe their assignments would be based on their Season's Best (22nd) and ISU ranking (currently 30th). I say that based on those rakings, Lichtman and Copley will easily get at least one GPF invite at home and look good to get another invite somewhere else.

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    Fun game, MM. I'll do ladies for now.

    (Just noticed that a 1-3 seed did not compete last year; was this going to be Yuna's event? I thought Min-Jung replaced her for COC. Or was this Lepisto's event?)
    1. Ando (1-3 pick; reigning world champion
    2. Alissa (4-6 pick; reigning nat'l champion; good for TV)
    3. Wagner (Home pick; She always end up in other countries, be interesting to see what she does at home)
    4. Gao ( Home pick; Thinking it would be fun to start her GPF early, also fun to pit her again Murakami)
    5. Murakami (she won here last year!)
    6. Korpi (Agree with you MM on this one)
    7 Markova
    8. Phaneuf
    9. Hecken (she did well at Worlds)
    10.Gedevanishvli
    11. Vannut
    12. Meite

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    Fun game, MM. I'll do ladies for now.

    (Just noticed that a 1-3 seed did not compete last year; was this going to be Yuna's event? I thought Min-Jung replaced her for COC. Or was this Lepisto's event?)
    1. Ando (1-3 pick; reigning world champion
    2. Alissa (4-6 pick; reigning nat'l champion; good for TV)
    3. Wagner (Home pick; She always end up in other countries, be interesting to see what she does at home)
    4. Gao ( Home pick; Thinking it would be fun to start her GPF early, also fun to pit her again Murakami)
    5. Murakami (she won here last year!)
    6. Korpi (Agree with you MM on this one)
    7 Markova
    8. Phaneuf
    9. Hecken (she did well at Worlds)
    10.Gedevanishvli
    11. Vannut
    12. Meite
    Yeah, I like that thought about Ashley. I'm sure the Skate America crowd would love to cheer her on. The nice thing about Ashley is that she's the approachable girl-next-door sort. It'd be nice if she could find music and a style that sort of reflects that. Ditch Malaguena.

    Not sure why it'd be fun to pit Christina against Kanako but Christina's as good a pick as any. Also, I thought Skate America was no longer early in the season.

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    I notice Skate America usually choses the big name, the rising star and the 3rd spot for the not so elite skater/team that needs the experience, the points or did well at summer.

    Based on that I think they should pick:

    Ladies:
    Czisny (national champion, Reigning Grand Prix champion)
    Zawadski (already two time junior world medalist)
    Any of Forte, Dobbs or Bulanhagui who wont get invited anywhere else.

    Men:
    Abbott (Still top ranked american or maybe Bradley if he continues)
    Dornbush (Shoul've been world junior champion)
    Any of Razzano, Aaron, Messing or Hochstein (whoever does best at Summer/Senior B's)

    Pairs:
    Yankowskas/Coughlin (Champions and best result in pairs in a long time)
    Cain/Reagan (aged out of Juniors and not likely to get other events)
    Any of Donlan/Speroff, Vise/Baldwin or Davis/Leftheris (Indy would be key as always)

    Dance:
    Davis/White (First US world champions, no brainer here)
    Lichtman/Copely (top junior team aging out)
    Samuelson/Bates (no brainer also since they cant get invited anywhere else)

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    FYI: List of skaters from whom you could choose.

    Single skatings (Men's & Ladies) 12 slots;
    Ice Dancing - 10 slots;
    Pair Skating - 8 slots.

    Men's - Top 12, Worlds
    1 Patrick CHAN CAN; 2 Takahiko KOZUKA JPN; 3 Artur GACHINSKI RUS;
    4 Michal BREZINA CZE; 5 Daisuke TAKAHASHI JPN; 6 Nobunari ODA JPN;
    7 Florent AMODIO FRA; 8 Brian JOUBERT FRA; 9 Richard DORNBUSH USA;
    10 Javier FERNANDEZ ESP; 11 Ross MINER USA; 12 Tomas VERNER CZE.

    Men's - Top 6, US Nationals
    1. Ryan Bradley; 2. Richard Dornbush; 3. Ross Miner;
    4. Jeremy Abbot; 5. Armin Mauhbanoozadeh; Adam Rippon

    Ladies - Top 14, Worlds (becuase Yuna & Rachael might not participate)
    1 Miki ANDO JPN; 2 Yuna KIM KOR; 3 Carolina KOSTNER ITA;
    4 Alena LEONOVA RUS; 5 Alissa CZISNY USA; 6 Mao ASADA JPN;
    7 Ksenia MAKAROVA RUS; 8 Kanako MURAKAMI JPN; 9 Kiira KORPI FIN;
    10 Elene GEDEVANISHVILI GEO; 11 Sarah HECKEN GER; 12 Rachael FLATT USA;
    13 Cynthia PHANEUF CAN; 14 Mae Berenice MEITE FRA

    Ladies - Top 7, US Nationals (becuase Rachael might not participate)
    1. Alize Czisny; 2. Rachael Flatt; 3. Mirai Nagasu;
    4. Agnes Zawadzki; 5. Christina Gao; 6. Ashley Wagner; 7. Vanessa Lam.

    Ice Dance - Top 12, Worlds
    1 DAVIS/WHITE USA; 2 VIRTUE/MOIR CAN; 3 SHIBUTANI/SHIBUTANI USA;
    4 PECHALAT/BOURZAT FRA; 5 WEAVER/POJE CAN; 6 BOBROVA/SOLOVIEV RUS;
    7 ILINYKH/KATSALAPOV RUS; 8 CAPPELLINI/LANOTTE ITA; 9 CHOCK/ZUERLEIN USA;
    10 CRONE/POIRIER CAN; 11 ZHIGANSHINA/GAZSI GER; 12 CARRON/JONES FRA.

    Ice Dance - Top 6, US Nationals
    1 DAVIS/WHITE; 2 SHIBUTANI/SHIBUTANI; 3 CHOCK/ZUERLEIN;
    3 Hubbell/Hubbell; 5 Kriengkrairut/Guilietti-Schmitt; 6 Cannuscio/Lorello.

    I've omitted junior medal recipients as I've tired. Hope you understand.

    Oops, here are the pairs:
    Pair Skating - Top 9, Worlds
    1 SAVCHENKO/SZOLKOWY GER ; 2 VOLOSOZHAR/TRANKOV RUS; 3 PANG/TONG CHN;
    4 KAVAGUTI/SMIRNOV RUS; 5 BAZAROVA/LARIONOV RUS; 6 YANKOWSKAS/COUGHLIN USA'
    7 DUHAMEL/RADFORD CAN; 8 MOORE-TOWERS/MOSCOVITCH CAN; 9 TAKAHASHI/TRAN JPN

    Pair Skating - Top 6, US Nationals
    1. YANKOWSKAS/COUGHLIN; 2 Evola/Ladwig; 3 Denney/Barrett (split the pair);
    4. Marley/Brubaker; 5. Castelli/Shnapir; 6. Vise/Baldwin.
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    MEN:

    1. Kozuka (1-3 pick)
    2. Oda (4-6 pick; redemption!)
    3. Dornbush (home pick)
    4. Brown (home pick)
    5. Mauhbanoozadeh (home pick reigning medalist)
    6. Verner
    7. Amodio
    8. Fernandez
    9. Ten
    10. Brenzia
    11. Schultless (if he is still skating)
    12. Liebers (I think he did relatively well at Worlds!)

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    I'll start with Ice Dance:

    1. Davis/White - because they earned the right to be the headliner in their own country as the world #1 team ;
    2. Samuelson/Bates - because they were absent for the last year and not much chance to be invited to other country event;
    3. LICHTMAN/COPELY - becuase you want to have a nice exposure to the most promising US up & comers;
    4. BOBROVA/SOLOVIEV - most beatable among 4-6 pick;
    5. CAPPELLINI/LANOTTE - 7-9 pick;
    6. ZHIGANSHINA/GAZSI - 10-12 pick;
    7. Reed/Reed - "sucking up" to the Japanese federation with the hope that they take the Shibs as their top seed pick ;
    8. Ralph/Hill - you want to be nice to your neighbor, Canada ;
    9. TOBIAS/STAGNIUNAS - another promising S/Z team;
    10. HUANG/ZHENG - More "sucking up," this time to the Chinese federation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    After I wrote that, it occurred to me that if the ISU really is going to change the rules to allow seeded skaters to do three events, then they will have to allow two skaters from 1-3 at the same competition.

    So maybe next year, under the new rules, we can have both the Davis and White and the Shibutanis at the same event.
    Oh my, what will happen to the fantasy game based on the two events only rule.

    Guess my picks not only made sense but were closer than some of the GP experts.

    Go Shibs!

    and Pogue get back to the drawing board as the game must go on.

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