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    Quote Originally Posted by Hernando View Post
    Not to mention without decent marketing there is no sport, period.

    I would not want to risk further deteriortation of Skate America just to get Ashley or Jeremy into the GPF.

    Show me a benefit to US Skating and I will go along with the GP placement "strategy".

    Basically I agree with mathman and trying to avoid competition to make it to a final (that carries little importance) seems unsporting.
    This is a good mentality. For years, Irina Slutskaya used to ask her federation to specifically send her to Skate Canada so she would face Michelle Kwan early in the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue dog View Post
    This is a good mentality. For years, Irina Slutskaya used to ask her federation to specifically send her to Skate Canada so she would face Michelle Kwan early in the season.
    It feels like today's skating world can't understand such a sporting mentality.

    Irina wanted to be the best and to do that she knew she had to beat the best and not hide from her biggest rival.
    Irina also knew her legacy would come down to Euro titles, WC medals and Olympic medals.

    I remember how many WC's Irina won and the color of her two Olympic medals. She won many Euro chanpionships and Natl titles.

    I really forget her GP record but there is only so much I can remember and try to hold on to the important rather than the trivial.

    What would ISU do today with a skater as competitive as Irina?
    I guess they would prevent her from facing her chief rival in the GP "for the good of the sport."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hernando View Post
    I really forget her GP record but there is only so much I can remember and try to hold on to the important rather than the trivial.
    Give the Grand Prix a chance. Europeans and Worlds have been going on for a century. They have had a chance to build up a history and tradition. Neither was a big deal overnight.

    Unless figure skating disappears altogether, which it might, I think there is a good chance that the Grand Prix will grow in prestige.

    When it does, we will look back on Irna Slutskaya as the all-time legendary Grand Prix skater. She won thirteen individual events and four Grand Prix finals in her career. Her eighteen month Grand Prix blitz from the beginning of the 2004-05 season to the middle of 2005-06, where she won everything in sight, setting new world records left and right, is one of the most amazing runs in figure skating history.

    Finally the Irina Express was stopped in its tracks by Mighty Mao ("Here...I come to save the day!!") at the 2005 Grand Prix Final. But what a ride it was!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Give the Grand Prix a chance. Europeans and Worlds have been going on for a century. They have had a chance to build up a history and tradition. Neither was a big deal overnight.

    Unless figure skating disappears altogether, which it might, I think there is a good chance that the Grand Prix will grow in prestige.

    When it does, we will look back on Irna Slutskaya as the all-time legendary Grand Prix skater. She won thirteen individual events and four Grand Prix finals in her career. Her eighteen month Grand Prix blitz from the beginning of the 2004-05 season to the middle of 2005-06, where she won everything in sight, setting new world records left and right, is one of the most amazing runs in figure skating history.

    Finally the Irina Express was stopped in its tracks by Mighty Mao ("Here...I come to save the day!!") at the 2005 Grand Prix Final. But what a ride it was!
    Thanks for reminding me of Irina's accomplishments.
    Still I remember she cried on the podium in Torino. I doubt that she cried at the GPF, or even trained to be in peak condition with a much more important Olympic competition only a few weeks away.

    As to the GP, I would say it is always easier to beat such a small field especially when the pressure is not nearly as great.

    Sometimes it feels like Yuna wins GP's just by showing up. That has not been the case at Worlds.

    I will give it all the time it needs and think Speedy letting the top skaters do three events shows that the GP's could benefit by being more competitive.

    Yuna on an off night at SA beating Flatt is not the same as facing the best skaters at Worlds.
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    I don't understand. YuNa Kim has announced not to participate to the GP and that means that Mirai Nagasu will become a seeded skater, not Ksenia Makarova.
    as from the 10/11 announcement on page 3 d)
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    That's a good question.

    The wording seems kind of ambiguous. It says a skater whose season best is "equal to or better than the top six." Does that mean equal to or better than all of the top six, or equal to or better than any one of the top six?

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    I think Makarova becomes a seeded skater, and Nagasu takes the last place of two spots guaranteed skaters (not Phaneuf).

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    Nagasu didn't compete at Worlds, so she cannot be a seeded skater.

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    ^ But read 2.1 (d) on last year's announcement, as linked by npavel.

    Assuming that the rules will be the same in 2011-2012, doesn't Mirai fall into category (d), putting her ahead of skaters in category (e) (7th through 12th at wolrlds)?

    Or is she required to have a season's best better than everybody in the top six in order to qualify under section (d)?

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    Nagasu could have become a seeded skater without having competed at Worlds if she had a Seasons Best Score "equal to or greater than" Yu Na's. But Mirai's SB score is about 5 points lower than Yu Na's, so she doesn't get seeded status. If Kim withdraws from the GP prior to or at the ISU meeting, Makarova becomes seeded.

    But if Kim is assigned GP events and later on withdraws, no one moves up to seeded status.

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    ^ So are you saying that the language "equal to or better than the top six from the ISU Worlds Championships" means "equal to or greater than the season's best score of the particular skater from the top six who withdraws?"

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    Thanks Mathman. Interesting quirk there. Man, to be a fly on the wall during these deliberations.

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    I hope Marley and Brubaker get picked for pairs, where they just miss eligibility for getting GP assignments the regular way. With all the top pair teams breaking up, they really deserve to get the chance to compete on the GP circuit this season!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Nagasu could have become a seeded skater without having competed at Worlds if she had a Seasons Best Score "equal to or greater than" Yu Na's. But Mirai's SB score is about 5 points lower than Yu Na's, so she doesn't get seeded status. If Kim withdraws from the GP prior to or at the ISU meeting, Makarova becomes seeded.

    But if Kim is assigned GP events and later on withdraws, no one moves up to seeded status.
    No, Nagasu become a seeded skater as she has a season best highter than the seasons best of the 6 worlds best skaters, that means better than the seasons best of Miki, YuNa, Carolina, Alena, Alissa and Mao. Her seasons best is higher than Carolinas, Alenas and Alissas, so she is a seeded skater as YuNa has already announced she will not partecipate to GP and not Makarova who is in 7th place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by npavel View Post
    No, Nagasu become a seeded skater as she has a season best highter than the seasons best of the 6 worlds best skaters, that means better than the seasons best of Miki, YuNa, Carolina, Alena, Alissa and Mao. Her seasons best is higher than Carolinas, Alenas and Alissas, so she is a seeded skater as YuNa has already announced she will not partecipate to GP and not Makarova who is in 7th place.
    Mirai's season best was 189.46 (4CC); Alissa's was 182.45 (Worlds); Kostner's was 184.68 (Worlds); Alena's was 183.92 (also at Worlds). Makarova's best is 167.22 (Worlds)...

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