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Example: Patrick Chan Worlds 2011 SP
Example: Patrick Chan Worlds 2011 SP
He is missing from the greatest jumps and jump combination lists, mistakes that should be rectified by the site.
I just took a quick look at Brezina. Seeing his marks for the 4T is not reassuring to me regarding the CoP. He has a bunch of +2's but also two judges marked him with -1.
That is quite a difference of OPINION on TECH and is an example of how much more subjective the CoP is compared to 6.0.
Back in the day Michelle did a nice 2A. LuLu did a nice 2A. As a judge that would not be where I would concentrate on separating them.
In the case of Brezina's 4T if a judge did not think it was that good wouldn't "0" have been OK?
Judges are human but geez this system is so open for manipulation it makes my head spin.
I don't know if I want to watch more of these or not. I guess it will depend if I can take the "shock and awe and horror of it all."
You may say how subjective and manipulated COP is but how do you substantiate the claim that it is more so than 6.0? The comparisons and supporting arguments are missing from your post.
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I just took a quick look at Brezina. Seeing his marks for the 4T is not reassuring to me regarding the CoP. He has a bunch of +2's but also two judges marked him with -1.
That is quite a difference of OPINION on TECH and is an example of how much more subjective the CoP is compared to 6.0.
Back in the day Michelle did a nice 2A. LuLu did a nice 2A. As a judge that would not be where I would concentrate on separating them.
Yes, that is a wide range of opinion. It is subjective and subject to error. But I don't see how it's more subjective than 6.0.
In 6.0, some judges might think, for example, "Two different quads really sets him apart. So what about the falls at the end" and put him ahead of several skaters with no falls and no quads. Other judges might think "Two falls is a really messy program and need to be penalized. I'm not that impressed by the quads. Kind of tilted in the air, a tiny stutter on the landing . . . I wonder if they were even fully rotated." and put him behind those skaters. Would ordinals from, say 3rd to 10th reassure you about the objectivity of 6.0? We just accepted that it was necessarily subjective, and that's why there were 9 judges on the panel.
So if they both did nice 2A, they could both get +1 for it. Or +2 if it was really nice -- I think Kwan sometimes deserved that especially earlier in her career.
But what about Lipinski's 2A? I could easily see different judges giving both positive and negative GOE for the same jump: good speed in and out, but no "step up" and not much lift off the ice. Depends what each judge values more. And in 6.0, they could have been thinking of her 2A as a plus or a minus in terms of the overall score (relative to everyone else who also landed a clean 2A).
I am shocked that the beauty of Mao's skating (check her PCS) was not considered as good as Alena.
I watched in "shock and awe and HORROR" at the way Alissa's spins were judged.
"The new system is every bit as inaccurate and political as the former system."
Skating is perhaps the "ultimate sport" for non-thinking and non-sporting NERDS.
I remain convinced most of you are clueless and believe CoP results as being equal to the "Ten Commandments."
Perhaps it is a matter of belief.
I choose to believe what I can see with my own eyes.
Rachael Flatt is NOT a better skater than Mirai in a system that "SUPPOSEDLY" judges every aspect of their skating fairly.
Many thanks to Toller Cranston for setting the record straight.
"Shock and awe and horror" is as close to a perfect description of watching CoP judging as I can imagine.