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    He will stand before God for judgment.

    I thought of the people on Flight 93, who took the plane down before it could hit another building, and of the firefighters and police in the building.

    I think of two people especially. One, Welles Remy Crowther, was an equities trader working in one of the towers, but he was also a volunteer firefighter in a nearby suburb. He ran up and down the stairs several times, guiding people out. He died when the towers fell, aged 24.

    Another, Abe Zelmanowitz, remained in the building because his best friend, in a wheelchair, couldn't get out.

    Those two men have been special beacons to me through these years, and I think of them tonight, because they served light and not darkness.
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    Very proud of our military tonight. While it is a victory for Bush/Obama... I say it's the unnamed, unsung heroes that truly hold the victory.

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    I agree, Toni. How brave those special forces folk had to be, to go in there! I'm in awe of them.

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    Be careful what you wish for...I am sure there will be repercussions.

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    no doubt there will be. those that think the war is over are fooling themselves (yeah I'm looking straight at DC and the media).


    I love this photo, though - http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/...3-custom11.jpg

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    ^ So do I, but this is no time to be complacent. I am concerned about the other terrorist cells out there.

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    No one is complacent. But this shows that no matter how long it takes, we get our man.

    Keep in mind, Bin Laden also ordered the death of many Muslims right there in their own countries. His followers have attacked in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and remember that several hundred Africans were killed in the embassy bombings. So we might not be the only place to be happy that he's in some other world.

    I don't think either the government or the media will make like everything's over. Embassies and bases abroad and cities here are on highest alert. News reporters have continued to make those points. Everyone knows that Al Quaeda isn't run from the top down, and that it's metastasized. But this is nonetheless a huge, possibly seismic moment, especially the way the deed was done. He wasn't taken out by an air strike that hurt civilians in collateral damage. He was stopped by a tiny group of men who went right into the mouth of the dragon to get him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    Very proud of our military tonight. While it is a victory for Bush/Obama... I say it's the unnamed, unsung heroes that truly hold the victory.
    A victory for Bush
    How about giving credit to Leon Panetta who was ordered by Obama two years ago to do this right after the Bush team spent 8 years doing it wrong.

    Whatever, no need to get too political here.

    For me it feels like a time for reflection. I don't see any need to label this a "victory" as it was something (revenge) that our leaders felt they had to do.

    We will soon see that this victory will turn out to be a no win situation or even a "lose-lose" situation.

    Reconciliation is going to be difficult after assassinating Bin-Laden. Don't get me wrong as I think he is a mass murderer who did not deserve mercy. But many others, millions in fact will see and feel much differently about this and they will remain our enemies.

    So much of the terror in the world is supported and paid for by the Saudis. If we don't make it clear to them it can't be tolerated it will never stop.

    A little backbone from our Nato allies would go a long way too but they need Saudi oil as badly as we do so heads will continue to look the other way as oil companies dictate geo-politcal realities based on profits.

    Revenge can feel sweet to some but a more harmonius world would feel even sweeter to me.
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    I have to say... I am not really a conspiracy theorist but... well... honestly, the whole "burial at sea" is completely fishy (no pun intended) to me. In fact, it seems Obama's words were oh so carefully chosen last night - he said "we have custody of the body now" - which might have been true at that particular moment. Seems like even the timing of the announcement was such as to avoid the whole burial of the body issue.

    To be honest, I do not really believe that Bin Laden was killed yesterday. I do believe that there was a raid which killed some top Al Queda officials. I also believe that Bin Laden is dead - except that honestly I believe he's been dead for years. As of right now, I haven't seen anything to dissuade me.

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    But many others, millions in fact will see and feel much differently about this and they will remain our enemies.
    Absolutely. But those who see him as a hero will always "remain our enemies" no matter what we do. There can be dialog and compromise with those who are "on the fence", yes, I am as much a believer in diplomacy as the next gal - but with some people, unfortunately, the best you can do is limiting their opportunities to do you harm.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    You know, this reminds me of an old Israeli joke.
    Arafat goes to a fortune teller to ask "When will I die?". The fortune teller looks into her crystal ball, her eyes cloud over, and she says, "Oh, I see it! I see it! You'll die on a big Jewish holiday!". "Which one?" "Any day you die will be a big Jewish holiday!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hernando View Post
    A victory for Bush
    How about giving credit to Leon Panetta who was ordered by Obama two years ago to do this right after the Bush team spent 8 years doing it wrong.

    Whatever, no need to get too political here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    Very proud of our military tonight. While it is a victory for Bush/Obama... I say it's the unnamed, unsung heroes that truly hold the victory.
    Well said. And it's sad, yet understandable, that we will never know the names of the brave guys who successfully carried out this operation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptichka View Post
    I have to say... I am not really a conspiracy theorist but... well... honestly, the whole "burial at sea" is completely fishy (no pun intended) to me. In fact, it seems Obama's words were oh so carefully chosen last night - he said "we have custody of the body now" - which might have been true at that particular moment. Seems like even the timing of the announcement was such as to avoid the whole burial of the body issue.

    To be honest, I do not really believe that Bin Laden was killed yesterday. I do believe that there was a raid which killed some top Al Queda officials. I also believe that Bin Laden is dead - except that honestly I believe he's been dead for years. As of right now, I haven't seen anything to dissuade me.


    Absolutely. But those who see him as a hero will always "remain our enemies" no matter what we do. There can be dialog and compromise with those who are "on the fence", yes, I am as much a believer in diplomacy as the next gal - but with some people, unfortunately, the best you can do is limiting their opportunities to do you harm.


    You know, this reminds me of an old Israeli joke.
    Arafat goes to a fortune teller to ask "When will I die?". The fortune teller looks into her crystal ball, her eyes cloud over, and she says, "Oh, I see it! I see it! You'll die on a big Jewish holiday!". "Which one?" "Any day you die will be a big Jewish holiday!"

    couldn't agree with you more on all accounts.


    Scrooge - we'll learn their names like we're learning names of heroes in WW2 and the Korean War... when they are old and grey (and so are we) when it's thought that it will be safe to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptichka View Post
    I have to say... I am not really a conspiracy theorist but... well... honestly, the whole "burial at sea" is completely fishy (no pun intended) to me. In fact, it seems Obama's words were oh so carefully chosen last night - he said "we have custody of the body now" - which might have been true at that particular moment. Seems like even the timing of the announcement was such as to avoid the whole burial of the body issue.
    I heard on the radio this morning that the burial was done so that they didn't have to give it to his people to make a hero out of him. They have his DNA.

    You know, this reminds me of an old Israeli joke.
    Arafat goes to a fortune teller to ask "When will I die?". The fortune teller looks into her crystal ball, her eyes cloud over, and she says, "Oh, I see it! I see it! You'll die on a big Jewish holiday!". "Which one?" "Any day you die will be a big Jewish holiday!"
    Love it!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee4707 View Post
    I heard on the radio this morning that the burial was done so that they didn't have to give it to his people to make a hero out of him. They have his DNA.
    Yes, I did hear this. Is it plausible? Well, yes; our president is anything but stupid. It is just odd that the actions are the same as if it did not happen quite the way they say it did. I do actually believe that Bin Laden is indeed dead. DNA could have been taken from a corpse long ago dead.

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