Plushenko wants to become a legend of figure skating

**Joesitz** · 05-11-2011, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Serious Business

Sorry Joesitz, I think you've been soundly outvoted. When even skating fans who outright dislike Plushenko grudgingly admit that he is a legend, among the endless piles of accolades Plushenko has won, he is very much a legend.

That's the story of my life for trying to make Figure Skating a more mature sport, and yes, I failed. As I see it, the topic should have been in The Voting Booth, and I never would have seen it, where everyone can vote their favorite legends without stipulating why they were chosen. Your post considers it a popularity contest. No?

The term, as I said before is bestowed by the Media, and in this case it has to be the international media. Present day gushing fans are not interested in past skaters before Shen and Zhao. I have no problem with the Official Halls of Fame both International and National, and it takes far more time to get into those groupings. I would guess voting for a present day Legend is instant success. (or is it just fun?)

BTW. What do you think of the chances for your listing to make it into the Halls of Fame? (it's not instant, and maybe not decided in our life time. quien sabe?)

**Mathman** · 05-11-2011, 05:13 PM

And as for "E-man," that's Sandhu.

**blue dog** · 05-11-2011, 05:23 PM

I remember the year Terry Gannon was trying to get people to call Mao the Chairman.

**Mathman** · 05-11-2011, 06:30 PM

^

**pangtongfan** · 05-11-2011, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by seniorita

^ If Phaneuf had skated like Yuna where would she have placed?

Probably about 4th or 5th. Definitely higher than if she skated like Ando did. A non big name from a neutral country skating like Ando does would get high 5s and low 6s for all PCS and 0s and -1 in GOE on non jump elements.

**Mathman** · 05-11-2011, 06:50 PM

^ Nah, Miki rocked it!

Well skated, well deserved.

I do think, though, that next year they will give it to Alissa (if she holds up her end of the bargain) or Carolina.

**pangtongfan** · 05-11-2011, 07:16 PM

Kostner cant even do a junior level program in difficulty now. She deserved her medal since the event sucked so badly and she skated a beautiful program with what she had. And the judges definitely dont "want to" give Czisny a major title in the future, they didnt even really want to give her a bronze in the farce event we had this year as they easily could have. Keep in mind this year was the worst year for womens skating since 1990, anyone who denies this is either delusional or has only started watching skating yesterday. If the women actually get their acts together next year you wont see skaters like Kostner or Czisny even in the top 5 anymore, or skaters like Ando winning events. Ando and Kostner arent even as good of skaters as they were 4-6 years ago, especialy Kostner, and Czisny is a pleasent journeywomen who the judges will never view as a big name at this point. All the skaters who did well this year benefited from Kim's basically retirement from skating (yet still nearly winning Worlds showing up untrained and making about 5 mistakes and probably still deserved to, LOL), Rochette's retirement, Asada's slump, Lepisto and Nagasu's injuries, and the overall dearth that created the nothing field we had this year. If Ando, Kostner, Czisny did the same performances last year in Vancouver these would have been their placings:

Ando- 5th most likely (same as it actually was in Vancouver)
Kostner- 7th or 8th
Czisny- 9th or 10th

Yu Na Kim's Vancouver performances would have won Worlds by about 42 points over 2nd place. Ando's winning performance might have won the 1983 or 1984 World titles, but none since then.

**Mathman** · 05-11-2011, 07:34 PM

I think that all of the skaters you mentioned, Kim, Asada, Ando, Rochette, Lepisto, are pretty much done. I don't think Leonova will be a force, and the younger Russians are too young. I am not sure how much improvement to expect from Murakami and Nagasu.

I might be wrong, but I can see the ISU "wanting" to throw the U.S.A. a bone next year, getting it out of the way in time for the lead-up to Sochi. I can also see them elevating Kostner as a retirement gift for Cinquanta.

**Krislite** · 05-11-2011, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by pangtongfan

Kostner cant even do a junior level program in difficulty now. She deserved her medal since the event sucked so badly and she skated a beautiful program with what she had. And the judges definitely dont "want to" give Czisny a major title in the future, they didnt even really want to give her a bronze in the farce event we had this year as they easily could have. Keep in mind this year was the worst year for womens skating since 1990, anyone who denies this is either delusional or has only started watching skating yesterday. If the women actually get their acts together next year you wont see skaters like Kostner or Czisny even in the top 5 anymore, or skaters like Ando winning events. Ando and Kostner arent even as good of skaters as they were 4-6 years ago, especialy Kostner, and Czisny is a pleasent journeywomen who the judges will never view as a big name at this point. All the skaters who did well this year benefited from Kim's basically retirement from skating (yet still nearly winning Worlds showing up untrained and making about 5 mistakes and probably still deserved to, LOL), Rochette's retirement, Asada's slump, Lepisto and Nagasu's injuries, and the overall dearth that created the nothing field we had this year.

As lovely as her long program was, her tech content really bothered me. No 3Lutz and just one 3Flip!? She even popped the 3Loop that she was supposed to repeat.

A lot of people are praising her to the sky now that she was relatively clean--but come one, with that kind of content, of course she could skate with ease. I'll not change my appraisal of Kostner until she brings back her 3/3 and 3Lutz without falling all over the place.

It's odd how much lower lady's skating is starting in this new Olympic cycle. Last time, in the 2006-2007 season, things were looking much better with Yuna and Mao joining the senior ranks, Miki still had her 3/3 and the US still had some promising skaters.

But it could be just bad luck/timing. This season we had the break/retirement of many seniors (Kim, Rochette, Lepisto, etc) while the promising juniors won't show up in senior competitions until at least next season.

**evangeline** · 05-11-2011, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Krislite

As lovely as her long program was, her tech content really bothered me. No 3Lutz and just one 3Flip!? She even popped the 3Loop that she was supposed to repeat.

A lot of people are praising her to the sky now that she was relatively clean--but come one, with that kind of content, of course she could skate with ease. I'll not change my appraisal of Kostner until she brings back her 3/3 and 3Lutz without falling all over the place.

You're not the only one...it's a bit sad when a world medallist in 2011 is doing tech content that even Jill Trenary could seriously compete against.

If Carolina is handed a world title with the tech content she displayed at Moscow, heads will roll! (ok, maybe just my head...from mortification, that is). But I'm sure at least one of Kim or Asada will get their acts together by next season to prevent this.

**seniorita** · 05-11-2011, 08:04 PM

Mathman the russian wonderbabies will compete in senior grand prix next season

No worlds or Euros but it will be still interesting to see them next to the big names.
What does it mean they want to throw a bone to Usa ladies before Sochi?
And if is that so, why not Mirai bone?

**gmyers** · 05-11-2011, 08:18 PM

Maybe Ksenia Makarova will do some lutz and flips jump next season

**gmyers** · 05-11-2011, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by evangeline

You're not the only one...it's a bit sad when a world medallist in 2011 is doing tech content that even Jill Trenary could seriously compete against.

If Carolina is handed a world title with the tech content she displayed at Moscow, heads will roll! (ok, maybe just my head...from mortification, that is). But I'm sure at least one of Kim or Asada will get their acts together by next season to prevent this.

I just looked and Trenary doubled her flip and did a single axel 3s step out