Quote Originally Posted by wmsb View Post
(let me admire myself for a second)

but, can we say from another point of view. the reason why plushy don't have competitor with 6 world medalist and 2 olympic champion, is because he is much more dominant.
I think Plushy do have competitor as Goebel (2 time world medalist), Takeshi Honda (2 time world medalist), Brian Joubert and Stefan Lindemann......yeah! 6 time World medalist.
Goebel is one of the worst pure skaters to ever win World or Olympic medals. The guy was nothing but a quadster, even his triples were rather weak. Honda wasnt that good, lasted only 1 or 2 years as a medal contender, and could never do clean programs anyway. Lindemann, LOL, a one time home cooked fluke medal which he didnt even deserve. Are you seriously comparing skaters like that to Urmanov, Kulik, or Eldredge. The only guy you mentioned that is of any note is Joubert, and Joubert's best seasons of skating were 2004, 2007, 2008, and 2009, only one of those when Plushenko was on top.


btw, Stojko have 2 olympic champions as competitor because he lost to both of them.
Plushenko made 2 Olympic champions since he lost to both of them too.


btw, Stojko have 2 olympic champions as competitor because he lost to both of them. I don't think it can be used as evidence to "Stojko is not so dominant because he faced a more aggressive competition"......the dispute seems like...

- A is more dominant than B
- That's because B has more aggressive competition

- Why B has more aggressive competition
- Because B has lots of Olympic Champion as competitor

- Why B has Olympic Champion as competitor
- Because B compete with them in Olympic and lost, so his competitor is Olympic Champion

- Then how about A
- Unfortunately, A himself is the Olympic Champion, so he don't have so many Olympic Champion as competitor (Actually A has 2 Oly Champion as competitor as well)


No, i am not saying A's competition is more aggressive than B's, I am just saying there is logical problem by using "competitor's title" as evidence.
I will put this in simple terms.

Stojko in 1994-1998 had tougher competition than Plushenko from 2003-2006 by far
(Plushenko literally had NOBODY during those years, this cant be seriously disputed really) and Plushenko was only slightly more dominant. Plushenko from 1999-2002 had tougher competiton probably mostly due to only one skater, the great Alexei Yagudin, but he was less dominant than Stojko had been during this time. So in the end it all about evens out.