And without a 3A, Jason Brown's skating is more intricate and interesting than Jeremy Abbott's (3A0 or Ryan Bradley's (4T). However, Jason didn't get the PCS he should have earned either.
Sometimes you gain by the system and sometimes you lose by it. This is also true of Jeremy.
Nothing is stopping Jeremy from getting at 4T that is consistent. Or from skating without a 4T without major errors. Except his own abilities...
Heh. You can say it's Canada. Than I'll proceed to explain that if you have thirteen countries (say, the former USSR countries) working in concert, the inflated scores don't stand out as much. I'll also point out that the USSR remains the only nation to have it's judges banned from judging (in the late 70's) due to chicanery.Originally Posted by Mathman
I look back (nostalgically) at old 6.0 competions, back when the nationalities of the judges were listed along with their scores. The national bias is right their unashamedly in our faces. Every once in a while some statistician decides to do a study of this phenomenon. Sure enough (duh!), almost every judge on the panel is inflating the scores (relative to the opinions of other judges) of skaters from their own countries and holding down the scores of their rivals. (I won't mention which country consistently and dramatically won the "super-homey award" time after time in theses studies. Hint: It wasn't the Soviet Union.)
I remember Canada does get the "super-homey" award, but I guess their way around it is to boost everyone else's marks. Unlike some Soviet/Russian judges like the infamous Tatiana Danilenko:
http://youtu.be/71j523P23Ig
She even gave Sarah Hughes a 10th place ordinal in the SLC short program, when every judge had her in the 3-4-5 range.
I always felt the Canadians reached new heights of pettiness when they gave the Duchesnays such poor marks.
They should have been big enough to admit they screwed up in the first place. Instead they tried to keep them off the podium.
Is there a specific program you have in mind, because I thought a lot of judges undermarked them in general.
The 5.3 tech mark the Canadian judge gave them for "Savage Rite" at Worlds was by far the lowest mark, and soundly criticized by Toller Cranston at the time.
The next lowest mark was a 5.5 and the rest (Soviet bloc) were mostly 5.8 and 5.7
Can't ever recall that happening.
At 1990 Worlds the Canadian judge also gave them the lowest tech mark.
The low scoring from the Canadians continued at the '92 Olympics but although the marks were not questionably low the Canadians did cast a decisive vote that placed the Russian team over the Duchesnays (by 5 to 4) in the second dance of the competition that pretty much decided the Gold medal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7yyqicWPT8&NR=1
Remembering this team through their career they were controversial, and also ahead of their time.
They were the talk of the skating world and I can't ever remember a Dance team other than T/D who were so well received by the crowds.
D/W and V/M are not even close to the excitement level the Duchesnays brought to ice dancing back in their day.
ETA: I did go back and look at a few more scores and found several events where the Canadians marked them in the middle but never higher than that.
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I never understood why the Duchesnay's had such a hard time getting a foothold in Canadian ice dance, to the extent that they had to emigrate and skate for France in order to get to Worlds. The issue wasn't beating Wilson and McCall (where of course W&M were very, very good) AFAIR, but of beating the brother and sister team of the Garossinos, who were not all that good ).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYTXQh6u1e8
for me he is a figure skating legend.
lets see he has 1 olympic gold medal, 2 olympic silvers, 3 world titles, i think 4 russian national titles, plus numerous others.
so yes i would quality him as a legend.
but for me also it is how they react to situations good and bad in life and skating as well.
how they react when things go their way and when they don;t.
skating wise he is. i don't know what more he needs to prove or do in skating.
personality wise.--- that is more debateable.
:( The compulsories... I miss them...
Yes, so do I
I am wondering will Plushenko be up to the task? He is not getting any younger....
One interesting little detail I noticed from the Tech Panel handbook is that jumps are allowed to be landed on either foot. So a one-foot double Axel is legal. As is a one-foot triple Salchow. A triple loop could be landed on the inside edge of the other foot, so a 3Flip/3Sal can immediately follow. Wait, even a 3F+3F combo is possible with this rule!
Just an interesting possibility, though given the limited jump passes, no reward for combinations and the risks, no one's gonna try them. I would love to see some creativity on the technical side, though.
If you were bi-directional, a 3z/3z combination could be do-able.
There have been very rare cases in the past of skaters doing one-foot Axels and even one-foot triple Salchows as part of a combo, but I don't recall ever having seen any skater do a combo with the jumps spinning in opposite directions.
Anyone here with a exceptional memory recall such a combination in the past?
Yagudin Interview
parts about Plu:
- Your Olympic victory was one of the greatest moments in figure skating. How often do you think about those days in Salt Lake City?
- It happened nine years ago, but those memories will be always in my head.... This time figure skating is taking 75 per cent of my life and of course memories are still with me. Even if I lost in Bratislava 10 years ago [at the European championship in 2001 against Plushenko], the memories of it are bright.
....- Do you think it’s real for Evgeni Plushenko to skate in Sochi?
- He is going to be 31, it’s my age right now. If my hip allowed me, if it was possible, I would probably compete, so yeah, why not? But he is not 18 anymore, injuries and health will be the major question. But I believe that he will be there.
- There were legends about your rivalry, how you hate each other and don’t speak with each other. What was true about it?
- It was always made by the media. We never hated each other. We were not friends, that’s true, but we weren’t enemies. We can talk to each other and we are fine, but we are never going to call each other and ask ‘how are you’.
- Was this maybe caused also by your former coach, Alexei Mishin, who always preferred Evgeni to you?
- Between those four people – Tarasova, Mishin, Evgeni and me – the main problem was given by Alexei Mishin, not Evgeni........ Honestly, coaching is the last thing I would do in my life, because it’s not the easiest thing to do. I want to try something else, some new profession. As for Evgeni, I just think he didn’t find himself in this different world. He knows how to do figure skating. And he knows it really well. But he doesn’t know who he is besides figure skating. Me, I’m trying to do something else, definitely not coaching....... In general I don’t follow figure skating, but if I catch Europeans or Worlds on TV, I watch it. Of course I watched the Olympics, because Evgeni was there....
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