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    I really like this Team!!! Does Morozov coach other talented Ice Dancers?

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    I can't say how appalling I think this is... Serious Business , I know what you mean... Seniorita , your worries are my worries ... Joesitz , this is the man that gave the Reeds The Addams Family...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    I really like this Team!!! Does Morozov coach other talented Ice Dancers?
    Not currently, but he did, of course, coach Bourne & Kraatz when they became World champions.
    He also has ice dancing background himself, and "served his apprenticeship" with Tarasova, for whom ice dancing is the primary specialty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptichka View Post
    Not currently, but he did, of course, coach Bourne & Kraatz when they became World champions.
    He also has ice dancing background himself, and "served his apprenticeship" with Tarasova, for whom ice dancing is the primary specialty.
    Ditto, I concur with that, he brought Shae and Vic to the top. He is definitely capable, HOWEVER, back then, he focused only on ice dance and he wasn't all over the place. Quantity doesn't equal quality.
    Also, I am not sure why some people think that Zhulin didn't care how they did? Perhaps success came way to easy for them initially and they didn't work as hard as they should have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herios View Post
    Also, I am not sure why some people think that Zhulin didn't care how they did? Perhaps success came way to easy for them initially and they didn't work as hard as they should have.
    There was a fairly shocking interview Zhulin gave a couple of weeks ago. (Sorry, I don't have the link or the exact translation). In it, he was talking about how I&K's work ethic wasn't up to par. He then said that he wanted his students to read the interview and draw appropriate conclusions from it (that they should work more, that is).
    The thing is, if you value that teacher-student relationship, you do not go talking like that to the media. You sit down and you tell your students what you think; may be you even yell. But you keep it "in the family".
    Frankly, after that interview I'd have been extremely surprised if they'd stayed.
    At the same time, I am sad to see this relationship desolve; I think they made for a strong trio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptichka View Post
    There was a fairly shocking interview Zhulin gave a couple of weeks ago. (Sorry, I don't have the link or the exact translation). In it, he was talking about how I&K's work ethic wasn't up to par. He then said that he wanted his students to read the interview and draw appropriate conclusions from it (that they should work more, that is).
    The thing is, if you value that teacher-student relationship, you do not go talking like that to the media. You sit down and you tell your students what you think; may be you even yell. But you keep it "in the family".
    Frankly, after that interview I'd have been extremely surprised if they'd stayed.
    At the same time, I am sad to see this relationship desolve; I think they made for a strong trio.
    It sounds like Zhulin was trying to avoid being "blamed" for I/K's poor showing.

    Saving his skin at the expense of his "star" pupils... Yeah, I wouldn't want to be his student if I were I/K.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CARA View Post
    It sounds like Zhulin was trying to avoid being "blamed" for I/K's poor showing.

    Saving his skin at the expense of his "star" pupils... Yeah, I wouldn't want to be his student if I were I/K.
    They were not his "star" pupils. Nathalie and Fabian were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herios View Post
    They were not his "star" pupils. Nathalie and Fabian were.
    In terms of the world ranking, I agree. I/K, however, were very much "hyped" as the future Russina stars. In any case, I still wouldn't want to stick around with Zhulin, though. I keep thinking just how tense and judgemental Zhulin's facial expressions were at the 2011 worlds in constrast to very relaxed and supportive expressions of Zueva/Shpillband.

    You could argue that Zhulin looked angry because both of his teams had major blunders. I'd say it's the other way around. Z/S's students did better presicely because they felt their coache's support and acceptance. It's just my humble opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptichka View Post
    There was a fairly shocking interview Zhulin gave a couple of weeks ago. (Sorry, I don't have the link or the exact translation). In it, he was talking about how I&K's work ethic wasn't up to par. He then said that he wanted his students to read the interview and draw appropriate conclusions from it (that they should work more, that is).
    The thing is, if you value that teacher-student relationship, you do not go talking like that to the media. You sit down and you tell your students what you think; may be you even yell. But you keep it "in the family".
    Frankly, after that interview I'd have been extremely surprised if they'd stayed.
    At the same time, I am sad to see this relationship desolve; I think they made for a strong trio.
    That is my first thought also 100% . I had read this interview of Zhulin via google, and it was the same reason I didnt like neither him for what he said neither what Carol had said about Mirai after Worlds. I dont like the use of media to pass 'messages' to your students, the next step is to talk them via twitter? if anything else the relationship between coach and athlete should be direct and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptichka View Post
    It hasn't been officially confirmed, but at his point it seems a fait accompli. It seems like their only other option was Linichuk & Karponosov, and that wouldn't be better than anything else. I'm not sure why Platov wasn't considered.
    Zhulin apparently made some remarks recently about the lack of appropriate work ethic on the part of I&K. After that, the rift seems a foregone conclusion.
    I can't say I'm too happy about the choice of new coach. I don't recall - does Morozov have any high profile assistants (such as Volkov who's working with Zhulin)?
    What about Maxim Stavinski(spell?)? He has excellent technique and ideas. I hope they can stay with Zhulin. But if they want to change, hopefully they get improved.

    Wasn't it during an I/K fluff, Elena's mother said U/Z was her favorite team? I don't remember where the link is now but it was not long before World.

    On FSU, a lot of posters said Morozov did bad programs. Did he create P/T's SP (Pearl Fisher or something) that everyone enjoyed?

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    I don't find this coaching change too surprising. Ilinykh/Katsalapov just didn't have a good showing at all at Worlds. Their performances in no way justified the hype around this team. I was really kind of shocked by how poorly they skated in the long program--so many mistakes and missed connections. And their programs--both of them--just obviously lacked the technical difficulty of almost all the other teams in the top 10. Good looks and attitude only carry you so far in this new COP era. I found myself wondering: Did Zhulin do them a disservice by giving them bad programs, or did he plan the programs that way because he felt they weren't technically capable of anything more? Their shaky performance in the long would tend to support the latter. Will be interesting to see if Morozov can do anything more with them. Based on the recent Volosozhar/Trankov interview, it does sound like Morozov is good at teaching the basics, which might be what I/K need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyria View Post
    I don't find this coaching change too surprising. Ilinykh/Katsalapov just didn't have a good showing at all at Worlds. Their performances in no way justified the hype around this team. I was really kind of shocked by how poorly they skated in the long program--so many mistakes and missed connections. And their programs--both of them--just obviously lacked the technical difficulty of almost all the other teams in the top 10. Good looks and attitude only carry you so far in this new COP era. I found myself wondering: Did Zhulin do them a disservice by giving them bad programs, or did he plan the programs that way because he felt they weren't technically capable of anything more? Their shaky performance in the long would tend to support the latter. Will be interesting to see if Morozov can do anything more with them. Based on the recent Volosozhar/Trankov interview, it does sound like Morozov is good at teaching the basics, which might be what I/K need.
    Thank you. You just summed up exactly how I feel about this team. People here tend to attribute too much value to the diva attitude, while this is a sport first and foremost and what primarily counts should be what the athletes do from waist down.
    I/K are a good team, did very well in juniors, but will need a lot of work to translate into the same results in the senior ranks.
    The timeframe to complete the improvement might require many years from here on, most likely more than the time left before Sochi.
    To have the illusion that such a relatively new team like I/K can close the gap compared with V/M or D/W who were dancing together for almost a decade before moving to seniors is really naive.
    And for my taste, Bobrova / Soloviev are better positioned to have to have better results comes Sochi as they are very well matched and work together for much longer, plus there is a maturity in their skating, which in I/K case is not there yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyria View Post
    I don't find this coaching change too surprising. Ilinykh/Katsalapov just didn't have a good showing at all at Worlds. Their performances in no way justified the hype around this team. I was really kind of shocked by how poorly they skated in the long program--so many mistakes and missed connections. And their programs--both of them--just obviously lacked the technical difficulty of almost all the other teams in the top 10. Good looks and attitude only carry you so far in this new COP era. I found myself wondering: Did Zhulin do them a disservice by giving them bad programs, or did he plan the programs that way because he felt they weren't technically capable of anything more? Their shaky performance in the long would tend to support the latter. Will be interesting to see if Morozov can do anything more with them. Based on the recent Volosozhar/Trankov interview, it does sound like Morozov is good at teaching the basics, which might be what I/K need.
    You forgot about Euros. They skated much better there and got high levels and total scores for their FD. One bad perfomance doesn't mean something was wrong with difficulty or their ability to skate this program (and they actually were good in SD at Worlds too, level 4 for both golden waltz sequences and levels 4 and 3 for other elements). Maybe something was wrong with their preparation for Worlds, maybe it was just a bad luck. But to say their programs are not difficult enough or I/K don't have decent basics to skate it is wrong, IMO

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    Well I/K or B/S do have to be at the level of medaling at worlds next year and if either don't medal than the whole idea of a Russian team medaling in Sochi is over. The whole point of these teams right now is to be ready to medal at Sochi-not even medal but win. Since neither team won a medal or come close to medaling this year both need radical overhaul. Seems like I/K is the team taking that seriously. The goal is absolutely not 2018.

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    That's not quite true. D&W won a silver medal at Vancouver without ever winning a World medal before. They finished 4th at L.A. Worlds 2009, their best Worlds finish at that point.

    In their first Worlds after Juniors, D&W finished 7th...just like I&K. V&M finished 6th. Clearly I&K have to work hard in the next 3 years, but finishing 7th in your first Worlds is nothing to sniff at. Unfortunately for I&K, the Shibs just got the bronze in their first Worlds, a team they had beaten the year before. Dwelling on this comparison is unfair to I&K, because last year the Shibs had a huge size mismatch. Alex had grown and Maia hadn't. Plus siblings doing the tango is not a good match. This year Maia had grown and they had programs that were a good match for their strengths.. This year, I&K's programs did them no favors. It happens. But it was still a respectable Worlds debut. And their Europeans' performance was superior to their Worlds performance.

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