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    Quote Originally Posted by bsfan View Post
    He has too many students.
    Does he even have any serious ice dancers anymore, now that he doesn't have the Reeds? He's clearly mostly a presentation and mental/physical conditioning coach. I don't think number of students matters as much in his case, because all his singles skaters are going to be working with specialists for a great deal of their time. I'd be more worried in this case that he has too few students. If I/K are his only ice dancers, they won't have good training partners to compete with each day and to inspire them to push themselves.

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    I too think that Zhulin is a brilliant coach, with tons of creativity and excellent technique. But they can't work well together. what else can we hope?

    About trainingmates, I feel it is hard to have another team at same high level(or say with same high expectation) training together. One will leave eventually. There are too many examples about that.

    But other than Morozov, who else can be the coach? Maxim S. ?

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    D/W and V/M have been training together for years now and it doesn't seem to have affected them at all. In fact both teams have thrived pushing each other to get better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsfan View Post
    There might be something going on that caused the criticise to Zhulin, I/K, or any others. I don't try to get it clear. But I don't want to link these with politics. The kids are not matured to handle media.
    There is nothing wrong that a federation want to improve. Just like here, if one group in a company made error in production, the boss/ceo will have something to say/do to that team. They are not using politics to push I/K to no.1, not even in Russia. R/T beat I/K in Nationals and I/K beat R/T in Europeans. Both were fair. Let's wait to see if I/K skate to the top or be politiked to the top.
    But I don't like them to go to Morozov though. He has too many students.
    1. Right, the boss will have something to say to that team. But to the media, the CEO is expected to take responsibility for his company. Piseev was playing the blame game relatively quickly.

    2. There is nothing wrong with the federation trying to improve the results of their students. I absolutely agree.

    3. As Jammers mentioned, V/M and D/W have been training together since juniors. I do think it takes a particular kind of coach to create the atmosphere, though.

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    These newest developments shouldn't be of surprise to those who have followed Russian ice dancers for years. It wouldn't be Russian ice dance if there wasn't drama involved with teams and/ or coaches. I have a gut feeling that one of the top teams is going to implode before Sochi, let alone be contenders for the podium. I don't know if it's going to be I/K (golden couple/ favored/ not likely unless same result in '12 & no progress), B/S (need to step up and nix any future program set to 3rd rate '80s musicals), R/T (basement stepchild), or K/A (most likely to fade away b/c Andreev is still suspect IMO)

    Seriously, I don't see any good arising out of the blame game in the long run and also reputation-wise. I/K may be too immature emotionally to realize this, or they may be caught up/ playing along with Piseev in order to garner more favor. If it's the latter, it's smart game to play right now, because it sets them up nicely as pawns or victims and not underachievers. Let's not underestimate the role of politics in the world of Russian ice dance. On the other hand, they've got to at least be close to the podium next year, or else they'll be looked upon as just another team caught up in politicking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    3. As Jammers mentioned, V/M and D/W have been training together since juniors. I do think it takes a particular kind of coach to create the atmosphere, though.
    It's rare kind of combination to create collegeal atmosphere for highly comeptitive teams to work together. I've heard the Canton coaches do not tolerate diva attitude. They re no non-sense and encourage hard works.

    What I am also impressed is diverse programs they create for their teams. Z/S have been able to tailor choreography unique to each team's strengths and weaknesses. They appear to be more interested in respecting student's individuality than imposing their own ideals of what ice dancing teams ought to be.

    In other words, they don't let their egos in a way of helping their students attain their goals, unlike many strong egos that inhabit among the ranks of Russian federation and their coaches. Those are rare qualities indeed. That's why I believe Z/S will continue to enjoy churning out competitive teams.

    P.S.: I'm hoping Krylova/Camerlengo develop another ice dancing dynamo club in N. America

    P.S. 2: I wonder how much of the fact that Shpillband's defection from the USSR factors into creating training facility that's unti-Russia, i.e., non-authoritarian, merit-based, internationally minded as opposed to nationalistic/close-minded

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    Quote Originally Posted by CARA
    P.S. 2: I wonder how much of the fact that Shpillband's defection from the USSR factors into creating training facility that's unti-Russia, i.e., non-authoritarian, merit-based, internationally minded as opposed to nationalistic/close-minded
    That is a very interesting speculation, and needs a thread of its own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CARA View Post
    P.S. 2: I wonder how much of the fact that Shpillband's defection from the USSR factors into creating training facility that's unti-Russia, i.e., non-authoritarian, merit-based, internationally minded as opposed to nationalistic/close-minded
    The more I read the speculations like these on various international FS forums, the more I understand why so many Russian posters (don't confuse with Russian speakers, those who immigrated from Russia decades ago) leave/are forced to leave such cyber places to rather newly created cyber places for fair debates, where folks can speak about figure skating actually, rather than politics flavored with chauvinism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    D/W and V/M have been training together for years now and it doesn't seem to have affected them at all. In fact both teams have thrived pushing each other to get better.
    They are from different countries and won't fight for the position in national team. And I agree that S/Z's handling is exceptional. What about B/A and D/W? or Den/S and Dom/S?

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    MY understanding was that B/A and D/W were friendly. After all, remember that Belbin and White are dating each other now (confirmed in multiple places). Linichuk didn't have DomShabs when coaching DenStav - DomShabs went after DenStav retired.

    let's talk, what is it that bugs you about Cara's point. You bolded defection, but that's been widely reported: Shpilband did defect from the Soviet Union. I don't see how that's "politics flavored with chauvinism."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    MY understanding was that B/A and D/W were friendly. After all, remember that Belbin and White are dating each other now (confirmed in multiple places). Linichuk didn't have DomShabs when coaching DenStav - DomShabs went after DenStav retired.
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    I was referring to DenStav about their previous coach. Didn't they share the same coach with DomShabs in Russia? Goshkov?

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    let's talk, would CARA's statement bother you as much, if it were made more clear that Shpilband defected from the USSR, and that the attributes CARA assigned to the USSR apply to that long gone country, not to the Russia of today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    MY understanding was that B/A and D/W were friendly. After all, remember that Belbin and White are dating each other now (confirmed in multiple places). Linichuk didn't have DomShabs when coaching DenStav - DomShabs went after DenStav retired.
    I don't think that would've bothered either DomShabs or DenStav, since both are friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsfan View Post
    They are from different countries and won't fight for the position in national team. And I agree that S/Z's handling is exceptional. What about B/A and D/W? or Den/S and Dom/S?
    Belbin & Agosto bought into the whole "they've plateaued" so they finally decided to go for a change... problem is that change involved not just a move, but an entire on ice personality change, and it didn't work. Their leaving hurt (Zueva was not as PC as Igor about it) and it backfired, but it wasn't due to any rivalry with Meryl and Charlie (who, as IP stated, was dating Tanith at the time of the split).

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    That same mindset of the old Soviet Union is still alive in Russia when it comes to ice dancing and Russia's place in it. It reminds me of the US ladies and how it took so long for US coaches to adjust to the COP and get up to speed with the rest of the world and get the ladies to skate with that scoring system in mind and not the 6.0 system. Change is never easy and Russia is finding that out the hard way.

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