I too think that Zhulin is a brilliant coach, with tons of creativity and excellent technique. But they can't work well together. what else can we hope?
About trainingmates, I feel it is hard to have another team at same high level(or say with same high expectation) training together. One will leave eventually. There are too many examples about that.
But other than Morozov, who else can be the coach? Maxim S. ?
D/W and V/M have been training together for years now and it doesn't seem to have affected them at all. In fact both teams have thrived pushing each other to get better.
2. There is nothing wrong with the federation trying to improve the results of their students. I absolutely agree.
3. As Jammers mentioned, V/M and D/W have been training together since juniors. I do think it takes a particular kind of coach to create the atmosphere, though.
These newest developments shouldn't be of surprise to those who have followed Russian ice dancers for years. It wouldn't be Russian ice dance if there wasn't drama involved with teams and/ or coaches. I have a gut feeling that one of the top teams is going to implode before Sochi, let alone be contenders for the podium. I don't know if it's going to be I/K (golden couple/ favored/ not likely unless same result in '12 & no progress), B/S (need to step up and nix any future program set to 3rd rate '80s musicals), R/T (basement stepchild), or K/A (most likely to fade away b/c Andreev is still suspect IMO)
Seriously, I don't see any good arising out of the blame game in the long run and also reputation-wise. I/K may be too immature emotionally to realize this, or they may be caught up/ playing along with Piseev in order to garner more favor. If it's the latter, it's smart game to play right now, because it sets them up nicely as pawns or victims and not underachievers. Let's not underestimate the role of politics in the world of Russian ice dance. On the other hand, they've got to at least be close to the podium next year, or else they'll be looked upon as just another team caught up in politicking.
What I am also impressed is diverse programs they create for their teams. Z/S have been able to tailor choreography unique to each team's strengths and weaknesses. They appear to be more interested in respecting student's individuality than imposing their own ideals of what ice dancing teams ought to be.
In other words, they don't let their egos in a way of helping their students attain their goals, unlike many strong egos that inhabit among the ranks of Russian federation and their coaches. Those are rare qualities indeed. That's why I believe Z/S will continue to enjoy churning out competitive teams.
P.S.: I'm hoping Krylova/Camerlengo develop another ice dancing dynamo club in N. America
P.S. 2: I wonder how much of the fact that Shpillband's defection from the USSR factors into creating training facility that's unti-Russia, i.e., non-authoritarian, merit-based, internationally minded as opposed to nationalistic/close-minded
That is a very interesting speculation, and needs a thread of its own.Originally Posted by CARA
MY understanding was that B/A and D/W were friendly. After all, remember that Belbin and White are dating each other now (confirmed in multiple places). Linichuk didn't have DomShabs when coaching DenStav - DomShabs went after DenStav retired.
let's talk, what is it that bugs you about Cara's point. You bolded defection, but that's been widely reported: Shpilband did defect from the Soviet Union. I don't see how that's "politics flavored with chauvinism."
let's talk, would CARA's statement bother you as much, if it were made more clear that Shpilband defected from the USSR, and that the attributes CARA assigned to the USSR apply to that long gone country, not to the Russia of today?
That same mindset of the old Soviet Union is still alive in Russia when it comes to ice dancing and Russia's place in it. It reminds me of the US ladies and how it took so long for US coaches to adjust to the COP and get up to speed with the rest of the world and get the ladies to skate with that scoring system in mind and not the 6.0 system. Change is never easy and Russia is finding that out the hard way.