A Russian Ice Dance team didn't medal at a worlds in 2006 or 2007. Then K/N won bronze in 2008 and D/S gold in 2009. 2010 and 2011 nothing. In 2006 and 2010 the olympic medalists could have won medals. So really you have 2007 and 2011. So if no team medaled next year that would be bad but it wasn't the team that medaled in 2008 that won worlds the next year it was a different team. But you could say that D/S could have won worlds in 2008 but even so they did not even medal once before they won the whole thing.
My real point is that I don't think either Russian ice dancing coaches/choreographers or US ladies coaches/choreographers have failed to adapt to the COP. Russian ice dancing continues to be successful (just not as much), while US coaches/choreographers have great success under the COP in other disciplines. It's just a matter of having the right talent meet the right coach at the right time, which brings us back to what this thread is about.
Many people are saying Morozov isn't that right coach for Elena and Nikita. Whereas in my opinion, Nikita is the bigger problem. If Morozov and his team can make Nikita more comfortable and productive, then the move to Morozov would likely be a huge success. But if I/K continue to underperform under Morozov, the problem could still be Nikita, not Morozov.
I think Toni's point is that they would have remained true to themselves and not have come out onto Olympic ice wearing silly-looking angel wings. Who were they trying to be, Alexei Urnanov?Originally Posted by Ptichka
Whether this would have been enough to put them ahead of Linichuk & Karponosov's favored team, the mock savages, is not clear. But they could have kept their pride.
In many ways, B&A as a team were caught between two different sports: Ice Dancing pre COP and Ice Dancing post COP.
B&A were put together as a team in the pre-COP age, when Tanith's height and long legs were a huge advantage, but also when posture, toe point, extension, and diva attitude were (IMO excessively) rewarded. Tanith was criticized in that era's esthetic for a limited range of expression (She had two: O face, and Let's Get Loud I'm having fun face) and posture and toe point issues, and what the Z&S skaters were always criticized for: having worse CD's than OD's or FD's.
Post COP, and especially after the extra lifts, and more/tougher criteria for +3 GOE and level 4, were added to the rules, B&A suffered. Tanith's height and leg length were harder on Ben's back, perhaps, too. Certainly, he developed back problems. They were unable to do the range of lifts that D&W and V&M were able to do. And although their CD's improved under Linichuk, their OD and FD dropped.
What Linichuk did for them was work on their preCOP problems, but those pluses were not significantly rewarded post COP, accounting mostly for some tenths in the PCS department.
Oddly, they probably should have stayed in this year, because the precision they acquired in the Golden Waltz would have been rewarded in the SD, I suspect. And they made a lovely waltz couple. And Linichuk gave P&G a really nice waltz-this is something she definitely knows how to do.
It is funny that it took abolishing the CD's to get Z&S teams to learn how to do at least 8 points of the Golden Waltz exactly as described
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Elena is currently exercising her creating writing on formspring.me. There she claims that the decision to switch coaches was only her and Nikita's, and neither the Federation nor Tarasova had anything to do with that.
On a sidenote, her replies to people there is a textbook of a flame war sauced with teen rudeness. I will research her masterpieces later for my future online applications.
The famous journalist Elena Vaitsekhovskaya published a bit on this in her blog. Essentially, she said she wouldn't be publishing an interview with Zhulin and Katsalapov because it's mainly just dirt that's already been rehashed. She then, however, has this piece which I though it worthwhile to translate:
"I don't really blame Lena and Nikita. Throughout our whole phone interview three days ago where he voiced all things that have since been published in several places, I was bothered by something else. I was bothered by Nikita's last sentence. As I was wrapping up, I told him that it seems to be inherently wrong when the coach finds out about his student's training changes not from the athletes but from journalists or the newspaper. I though Nikita was a bit embarrassed. He then said, "You see, I agree it's not really proper. But the federation told us not to worry about it. They said we should just train and not think about anything else. They said the federation would inform Zhulin of everything."
Cool, right? Adults have magnanimously taken the heavy decision of the little ones' shoulders. Almost... Now, though, it's the latter who're getting all the dirt thrown at them. And what? They do deserve it, right?"
Expectations for I&K were very high, perhaps unjustly so high that even I&K believed in their PR - always a costly error. I don't think anyone outside of the training situation can attribute blame for their somewhat unexciting senior debut. But airing discontent in the media is not the best way to improve anyone's image. So my advice to I&K is to take stock of their strengths and work on their weaknesses - and be better prepared for next season.