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    I almost think that Tonya being the kind of person she was intentionally sabotaged her LP just for the attention. She knew she didn't have a chance to medal anyways so why not give a big FU to everyone.

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    Pro Ams are stupid anyway. I dont put Josee's win at the 2001 Sears event down to anything more than that. It works in all directions, Kwan at the 2002 Masters popped 3 or 4 jumps and still missed winning by only 1 judge over Irina who skated cleanly which was also a joke. Would Carrol have been irate had Kwan won there which would have been an even bigger joke than the Sears loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    Chouinard was a charming, incredibly expressive skater with more ability than confidence, and I generally enjoyed her programs (though I thought Michelle should have won that day). She must have been a joy to choreograph for. I still ache for her because of the dirty trick fate played on her in the 1994 Olympics. That Typhoid Mary, Tonya Harding, having already jeopardized Nancy Kerrigan's Olympic chances, then took out Chouinard. Harding broke her shoelace or somesuch, and asked the judges for a moment to repair her skate. The judges decreed that yes, Harding could have a time-out, but the next skater MUST then skate right away or forfeit a chance to do her long program. The next skater was Josée. So out went Chouinard, even though I'm sure she was completely unsettled by the change. Really such a shame that Josée became another casualty of Tonya Harding's chaotic tenure in the skating spotlight.
    Josee was only a bit contender for a medal going into the 94 Olympics anyway, I would say in the same group as Harding, Szewcenko, and possibly Witt. Chen, Kerrigan, Baiul, Sato, and Bonaly, were all bigger favorites, and it would have taken Josee the TWO skates of her life to even win a bronze, especialy when Baiul, Kerrigan, and Chen all had good competitions. And the short program which she bombed and had her in 8th already killed her medal chances anyway.

    The Tonya destroyed Josee's Olympic chances is a big blown up myth for PR purposes. Even if Josee had skated well the best she was going to do is pull up to say 6th at that point. And given her history she was probably bombing the long program anyway, it is much easier for her to skate a good short then long and she didnt even do that there.

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    Oh, I'm not saying that Harding took away a sure chance for Josée to medal at the '94 Olympics. But there's a big difference between having the chance to skate one's best (even if nerves take over during that attempt) and having to skate on short notice because of another skater's poor preparation, thus adding to one's normal anxiousness. It was grossly unfair to Josée, and more so because it was Tonya, who possibly shouldn't even have been there.

    As for whether the situation was blown out of proportion for PR purposes, I couldn't say. I'm going by my own reaction from memory...I was watching and feeling acutely sympathetic to Chouinard at that moment. I am not depending on any write-up or reporting in this instance. Though I'm sure the press, especially in Canada, did a lot of writing on this topic in the days following the long program.

    We can't really know what would have happened if Chouinard had had a smooth and predictable entrance onto the ice. Almost certainly she wouldn't have outskated Chen Lu, Kerrigan, or Baiul. But she would have had a nicer memory of her Olympics, whether she had finished higher, lower, or in that same order.

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    Back to the 2011/2012, I am very excited about the fact that Laura's going to return to competition!

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    She is? Awesome! It'll be good to have her back in the mix.

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    I think Laura's lovely, but I'd really like to see her take another step in her technical content. Yes she has a 3t-3t, but sometimes I think she get's the judges' pretty bonus when they're lacking in other areas. Laura winning that bronze medal in 2010 was a travesty. 3 triples and a handful of double jumps...Miki should have won bronze that year. I think with the newer crop of girls coming in, Laura will have to step it up if she wants to remain competitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanatic View Post
    I think Laura's lovely, but I'd really like to see her take another step in her technical content. Yes she has a 3t-3t, but sometimes I think she get's the judges' pretty bonus when they're lacking in other areas. Laura winning that bronze medal in 2010 was a travesty. 3 triples and a handful of double jumps...Miki should have won bronze that year. I think with the newer crop of girls coming in, Laura will have to step it up if she wants to remain competitive.
    I'm also very very curious to see what Laura will do this next season, and if/how her year's break will effect her. She just announced her new LP in an interview recently, it's Miss Saigon. I presume the SP is the one she was supposed to do last year, Besame Mucho

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    Quote Originally Posted by berrycute View Post
    I'm also very very curious to see what Laura will do this next season, and if/how her year's break will effect her. She just announced her new LP in an interview recently, it's Miss Saigon. I presume the SP is the one she was supposed to do last year, Besame Mucho
    I thought her new SP was to Jupiter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanatic View Post
    I think Laura's lovely, but I'd really like to see her take another step in her technical content. Yes she has a 3t-3t, but sometimes I think she get's the judges' pretty bonus when they're lacking in other areas. Laura winning that bronze medal in 2010 was a travesty. 3 triples and a handful of double jumps...Miki should have won bronze that year. I think with the newer crop of girls coming in, Laura will have to step it up if she wants to remain competitive.
    Sorry but Laura had a huge lead over Miki in the SP and held on to win bronze.

    Miki can out jump Laura when she is ON - every other category of skating Laura wins.

    It is fairly easy to see when Miki messes up she loses more than Laura does.

    I guess this will be disputed for a longtime.
    I like Miki coz she is a very good jumper when she is on.

    I love Laura who for me simply outclasses Miki as a performer and as an all around skater.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    I thought her new SP was to Jupiter?
    No, she skated to Jupiter at a Gala performance in Japan a year ago. Besame mucho is her SP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hernando View Post
    Sorry but Laura had a huge lead over Miki in the SP and held on to win bronze.

    Miki can out jump Laura when she is ON - every other category of skating Laura wins.

    It is fairly easy to see when Miki messes up she loses more than Laura does.

    I guess this will be disputed for a longtime.
    I like Miki coz she is a very good jumper when she is on.

    I love Laura who for me simply outclasses Miki as a performer and as an all around skater.
    I definitely agree that Laura's skating outclasses Miki's...but to win with barely anything with double jumps? That was a little tough to swallow...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanatic View Post
    I definitely agree that Laura's skating outclasses Miki's...but to win with barely anything with double jumps? That was a little tough to swallow...
    It's the CoP.

    Look at Patrick's SP score from SC where he fell on his solo jump and fell on his required jump. And he fell on his footwork.

    If you are a judges favorite in this system they find ways to keep your score high.

    Remember at the GPF when Akiko landed 7 triples and still finished third behind Yuna and Miki in the LP? What did they do, 3 or 4 triples?

    But I get why Miki fans disagreed with 2010 Worlds.

    Maybe it was Laura's beautiful red dress that edged out Miki's questionable costume.
    Sometimes the CoP = Code of Pageants
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    But it's not like Worlds was a well skated event last year, kwanatic. Miki Ando had a massive fall in the SP that ruined her combo, so she got virtually nothing for the biggest point getter in the SP. And even then her PCS were quite close to Lepisto.

    If we were to articulate it another way: in her two programs, Miki Ando landed seven fully rotated triples. Laura Lepisto, in her two programs, landed six.
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    Code of Pageants! LOL! That's a good one...

    I always say Laura and Kiira get the Finnish Beauty bonus; they are gorgeous...

    You're right Imaginary, I forgot how terrible that event was overall. Miki was coming off of a decent season, but not the powerhouse season she had this year. This year Miki was so on fire at nearly every event, she was getting the extra push from the judges for performing so well...that wasn't the case last year.

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