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    Plushenko to Resume His Eligibility to skate ISU Competitions

    Although this was reported by a network, there was no mention of the matter in the ISU website.

    Further the article did not give any reasons for the ISU making an exception to its own Rules.

    Will it pave the way for other skaters who are no longer eligible for ISU competitions?

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    Joe please read the rules, its own rules give the skaters the right of reinstatement. No exception was made. It is under the paragraphs 102 {2(i) and 7} and 103.

    If you really want I can post them again, but the resume is that in case an athlete skates without permission to a sactioned event, he loses his eligibility under case I) with a chance of reinstatement if he applies via his federation. And this is all what Plushenko did. It is not a loss of eligibility for good. There are three cases to lose your eligibility and only the first one gives you the reistatement right. I dont know the other skaters how they lost their eligibility and what ISU announced for them but if you skate at Thin Ice for example that is an unsactioned event you cannot apply for reinstantement..Isu had declared a year ago that Plushenko was ineligible under I) case.

    The announcement is in Official Russian Federation Site for now.
    rough translation :
    Evgeni Plushenko rights restored for performances at the ISU competitions


    Today, June 12 in Amsterdam, the ISU Council at its meeting voted unanimously "for" recovery Evgeni Plushenko in the status of "permitted" (eligibility) athlete. This means that Evgeni can begin to compete in all competitions conducted under the auspices of the International Skating Union (ISU) already in the coming season.

    A year ago, to Evgeni was denied the right to perform at the ISU tournaments due to violations of the rules of the International Skating Union.

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    ISu will probably take this out with the rest of the meeting''s decisions.

    On as side note, have you heard any other sport punishing for life its athletes if they didnt caught dopped, attacked another athlete, killed a judge etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    Joe please read the rules, its own rules give the skaters the right of reinstatement. No exception was made. It is under the paragraphs 102 {2(i) and 7} and 103.
    Do you still have patience to post the eligibility rules????

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    The way you explained it. There is a rule about skating at a non ISU event where one loses his eligibility for future ISU competitions. Correct?

    However, a Federation can reinstate his eligibility if it wants to which would mean the Federation has the right to overide a decision of the ISU. Correct?

    Applying for a reinstatement is not the same as an approved reinstatement. That is what is bothing my head! There is no reason listed for the exception to the rule. Correct? It's just done for applying.

    Senorita. I have no qualms about returning retired skaters to compete in ISU competitions, including Evgeni, but there exists a rule which it seems to me was not considered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    The way you explained it. There is a rule about skating at a non ISU event where one loses his eligibility for future ISU competitions. Correct?

    However, a Federation can reinstate his eligibility if it wants to which would mean the Federation has the right to overide a decision of the ISU. Correct?

    Applying for a reinstatement is not the same as an approved reinstatement. That is what is bothing my head! There is no reason listed for the exception to the rule. Correct? It's just done for applying.

    Senorita. I have no qualms about returning retired skaters to compete in ISU competitions, including Evgeni, but there exists a rule which it seems to me was not considered.
    Provisional Allotments of ISU Championships and Reinstatement of Evgeny Plyuschenko
    14 Jun 2011 15:10

    Based on a request of the Figure Skating Federation of Russia and in line with the applicable ISU Regulations, the ISU Council agreed to reinstate the Russian Figure Skater Mr. Evgeny Plyuschenko with immediate effect who will therefore be allowed to compete again in ISU sanctioned competitions including the Olympic Winter Games.


    Rules don't explain what happens after a skater applies for reinstatement, probably that's what bothers you. The reasons to reinstate skaters or deny them the reinstatement don't appear anywhere, we don't know what criteria they use when they analyze someone's application.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    The way you explained it. There is a rule about skating at a non ISU event where one loses his eligibility for future ISU competitions. Correct?
    yes. there are three cases to lose the eligibility I) if the skater skates to a sactioned event without the approval of his federation(plu case), ii) skates to a non sactioned event and iii) I dont remember now.
    From the three cases only the i) gives the skater the right to apply fro reinstatement and he can do it only once, if Plushenko is banned again in the future he cant apply again any more.

    However, a Federation can reinstate his eligibility if it wants to which would mean the Federation has the right to overide a decision of the ISU. Correct?
    No . The ISU and only ISU decides about eligibility, Federation is only involved for that the skater cannot apply alone for reinstatement but must have the blessings and support of his federation, otherwise the application is not acceptable.


    Applying for a reinstatement is not the same as an approved reinstatement. That is what is bothing my head! There is no reason listed for the exception to the rule. Correct? It's just done for applying.
    It is true that ISU doesnt say the reasons of reinstatement, but -and thats only my opinion- when a skater has just skated in a show, I find it a bit too much to ban him forever , when these stuff happen in other sports only in very serious accusations, like dopping, or illegal stuff. I think if fs wants to be called a sport and not a soap opera they should let their athletes free to do what they want concerning shows but thats irrelevant now.

    Quiz: Do you remember why ODa was banned for a year? And why they banned Staviski forever?Two different situations. How long they should have banned Evgeni for skating in KOI then? forever?

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    That's an interesting question you asked, Seniorita, about whether any other sport banned its athletes for something small and non-criminal. I wonder if there is any other sport that has the same setup skating does, where all the important medals and records are in the non-professional division but there are tempting venues in the professional division. Track and field has its competitive glories all in the "amateur" section, but there isn't really a televised pro circuit. Same with gymnastics. On the other hand, team sports like basketball and football have important events in both college-level and pro ranks, but you don't just get invited to appear on a pro team as a guest while you're in college. Hmmm. Maybe skating is the only sport set up like that.

    I can't remember what ruling was made against Staviski. I assumed he was banned from skating forever, but didn't he and Denkova perform somewhere after the awful driving incident? Presumably in some sort of pro event. I haven't kept up on this situation in detail because it's too heartbreaking to read about. I loved this couple, and what happened is such a dreadful--and avoidable--tragedy.

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