I agree with BigDeal. This is not a big deal.
Plushenko committed a minor infraction of the rules, they slapped his wrist, he served his time, his case came up for "parole" and that was the end of it
Why do you say it is a minor infraction? That is your opinion, although you don't say imo. Please explain how he served his time.
We're talking about principle here and it seems you want to avoid that with your humor.
Last edited by dorispulaski; 06-16-2011 at 03:35 PM.
^Because he didnt get caught dopped and he didnt kill the president, he just skated to a show without permission after withdrawing from worlds, got banned for a year and thats all. Oda was arrested driving drunk and stayed away a year, Staviski killed a person by driving drunk and was banned for life,Harding attacked another skater, you think these were minor cases but PLushenko should be punished with life sentence because he skated a show? ok.
What you call humor, I see it as common sense
Last edited by dorispulaski; 06-16-2011 at 03:34 PM.
MathM, I think "interests of ISU" are indeed more than just financial. The sport benefits from having well known names compete in GP and other events. This is not just about money - people tune in to watch a name they recognize and end up getting acquainted with the up-and-commers.
Not eager to see Plushenko back - but see absolutely no problem with him being reinstated.
I try to get the answer for the Plusheko hate that has been going on and on here and there. He followed the procedure to get reinstated and people declared he broke the rule and set exception. He skipped worlds to skate in a show and lost status but other skaters did the same and still keep their status-- no one complained about that and even asked when he/she would compete again. He came back after retirement and got lots of boos. Other skaters did the same and were welcome.... If he was not Russian and not that great to be a threat to N. American skaters, maybe he would be treated warmly.
The problem is that Plush did not play, "Mother, May I," properly with the ISU, as the other skaters did.
He just did what he wanted, and the ISU penalized him. I have no problems with that.
I also have no problems with him being reinstated, now that he's served one year's penalty.
People are allowed to reinstate after penalties for doping. Plush's sin is much less in my book.
He just irritates me....his attitude...his inability to lose gracefully under the ISU rules...I just dislike him. The biggest issue for me is not that he broke the rule by skating in the non-ISU sanctioned show....but just the fact that he knowingly broke a rule and didn't bother to care. If he holds the OGM in such high esteem, he must hold the ISU to that level as well....but yet, he can break their rules without any remorse. Whatever. I don't even care about anything he does, and I'll just end up rooting against him if he competes.
Plushenko had asked for permission from his federation because they are the one to give it for shows and got it first place, as well as all the skaters in KOI who were to compete at worlds, like Weir for example. Then Plushenko withdrew, like Weir for example and ISU threatened RF to take back his permission unlike Weir for example. The RF page announced that they forbid Plushenko to skate in KOI cause they didnt want ISU to mess with any concequences for russian team..
By then Plushenko had been openingly supporting Anton S. for RF president and not Piseev. Whatever is been said about disregard to rules, i doubt anyone would withdrew from their own show 3 days before because their permission was gotten back. Besides he had done it in Prague in 2004 (same time I think when Kwan was told not to skate in a show) and withdrew from a show and went to courts with organisers and had to explain to an upset audience. I m sure he was aware this time as also back in prague of the conseequences and chose to skate in the show this time.
So Evgeni withdrew from worlds and skated to koi, other skaters skipped worlds and went to Dancing with the Stars or KOI, the only difference is that their federation backed them up in their decision.
I guess that is why I was surprised at the actual wording in the ISU Constitution that seems to put money front and center. Here is the entire stated rationale for the eligibility rules:
It seems to me that they skipped the opportunity to extol the lofty principles of the sport and the responsibilities of the ISU’s guardianship thereof, and went straight for the money.A Akater wishing to take part in ISU activities should not be placed at a [financial] disadvantage because by reason of the necessity to prepare for and participate in ISU Events, the Olympic Winter Games, The Winter Youth Olympic Games abd all International Competitions, exhibitions and tours properly sanctioned by the ISU or a Member. Accordingly, a Skater may receive payments for appearances, endorcements and exhibition performances and still remain eligiible provided
(i) such Skater complies with conditions established by the respective Member of which such Skater is a member concerning such appearances, endorsements and exhibition performances, including financial arrangements.
(ii) payments or other benefits to be received by such Skater for any skating appearance are made through the respective Member of which such Skater is a member or at least with full information on such payments or benefits given by such Skater to such member (i.e., all of Plushenko’s remuneration goes through Piseev).
(iii) such Skater complies with all other provisions of this Rule 102. (the main one apparently being not to take part in any actual competition that is not sanctioned by the ISU.}
anyway, I'm happy he's been reinstated and I'm looking to see him at Euros (yeah, I'll be there! ).
I just don't get all the Plushenko-hate: he broke a rule (nor the first nor such a great crime), was disqualified with the possibility of returning back, he returned. what's so wrong, here?
IMO, it was also many news that reported very badly the news speaking of loss of elegibility for life or similar, which was not true, if they only had read better the rules before writing such things...
Last edited by dorispulaski; 06-16-2011 at 03:37 PM.
The issue is a reinstatement of competition. The rationale is MONEY making. Just wondering if it will apply to some other skaters.
Last edited by dorispulaski; 06-16-2011 at 03:37 PM.
Other skater can try to break the same rule as plushy and ask for reinstatement. if they cann't get it back from ISU, i will go on strike for the unfair treatment
Last edited by dorispulaski; 06-16-2011 at 03:38 PM.