10-02-2011, 05:00 PM
Thank you, thank you, thank you for these videos!!!! I have to admit, I hate to see all the falls, but I have this immediate positive impression of Chan's LP. Many people get tired of Aranjuez, but it sucks me in every time, and I like how is natural speed and flow somehow fits with this. Can't wait to see this program get better with time.
It is so great to see Rochette again (come back, come back!). I don't quite have a feeling about Alyssa's LP yet - it is in some ways beautiful or potentially so. Maybe it just needs more mileage - but it felt to me, too, a bit empty or like something just wasn't quite convincing about it; and when I turned the sound off, it looked rushed (and I don't mean she seemed to be skating quickly, just that little spots where she seemed to rush toward elements or out of them). But, it is very early in the season and I so look forward to watching her progress (would love to see her win a lot, too!!!!).
10-02-2011, 05:09 PM
10-02-2011, 05:11 PM
Wowwowwow! She still moves a bit coltish but she could be absolutely incredible by the time Sochi comes around. Other than the jumps, her skating reminds me a bit of Yamaguchi. (Obviously Liza's jumps are wayyy bigger).
Originally Posted by theresa
10-02-2011, 06:36 PM
Tripping on the Podium
I agree! Her movement is still a bit rough around the edges, but she has a sort of exotic look and feel that is rare on the ice. Her spins could use a lot of work still, but here's hoping she has an amazing GP season and doesn't peak too early!
Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy
Thanks! This is her SP this season and it looks great!
Originally Posted by poloska
Last edited by LeCygne; 10-02-2011 at 06:40 PM.
10-02-2011, 08:44 PM
To my untrained eye, Dai seemed a bit "exposed" in his exhibition program: His blade seemed to wobble (very slightly) here and there as if unable to hold his gliding edge in a low speed as good as such world champions as Jeffrey Buttle and Stéphane Lambiel. Dai usually skated fast, so it never occurred to me as his possible weakness.
What Liza impressed me most was her use of hands, wrists, and fingers. I was awed by so many expressions that came out of the two little hands of that young girl. Outstanding!!!
Chan's LP is full of difficult jump entrances, reminiscent of Takeshi Honda's Concierto de Aranjuez, also choreographed by Lori. What Chan still needs to work on is his posture and body lines, though they have been improved but not excellent enough to complement the great music and ingenious choreography of that program. If skated clean, it is a program very hard to beat.
Last edited by skatinginbc; 10-02-2011 at 09:33 PM.
10-02-2011, 09:19 PM
SkateFiguring took the violet pill
As the JO videos spread all over the world in warp speed, I want to acknowledge and thank the source, kakuhuohong of Baidu, since I have no convenient way of contacting her. (Stealing from her was easy and convenient though. )
Having watched most of the skaters, I'm duely impressed by many beautiful though imperfect skating. My favorites turn out to be the Canadians, , Chan, Rochette, and Buttle. Gachinsky is really impressive, with a giant leap in choreo and presentation, as is his compatriot the young wonderful Liza. She is so tiny so I have some concern about her future development. The Japanese are capable of much more than what they put out in this pre-season competition. Kozuka is a great skater but this program is not exciting. Dai showed technical weaknesses. I hope it's a stage in his training and not a trend.
Buttle skated beautifully and was technically strong as well but for running out of gas. Joannie? Still Canada's best and one of the world's best. I just loved her Firebird. Alissa has an (over) ambitious program but her many major point robbing flaws are "invisible" technical ones and her strength (spins) very obvious so she may look very beautiful and get the "wazrobbeds".
Chan's Aranjuez took me in instantly and carried me all the way through. After two watchings, I suddenly realized I didn't notice the step sequences. The whole program is a seamless step sequence with jumps popping up here and there, never intrusive, like waves that disappeared back into the ocean. The last fall was on a jump with the craziest entry! This program turned out to be very emotional for me, partly because of the very soft spot in my heart for Spanish/classical guitar, and Patrick's program and skating are so in tune with the feelings of Aranjuez and flowed all the way through. I mentioned before that although Aranjuez was considered overused in skating, I found it so beautiful yet its emotions had not been truly portrayed in skating before. (Sorry to fans of various great skaters.) Patrick really captured the emotions for me. I was not surprised knowing he chose it for his emotional connection with it, still I could not know how I would experience this program. It was mesmerizing in a sweet and sad way.
As it is, it's not about the technical prowess or flaws for me. It is imperfect but it's all about the feelings. As I said, all the jumps come out and go back amidst steps. Insanely difficult. Falls will be gone soon enough. One thing about Patrick's falls, he springs up instantly, in the choreography before he is completely up. There is hardly any interuption. Kozuka too got up very quickly from his fall but Dai for some reason took a long time to get back into his program. Big difference.
I can hardly wait to experience this Aranjuez when it is well seasoned and skated flawlessly, or nearly so.
Last edited by Violet Bliss; 10-02-2011 at 09:31 PM.
10-02-2011, 09:32 PM
You watched only TWICE? Surprise!!! I watched four times in a row. Speaking of "mesmerizing in a sad way", I'm afraid I have to say Takeshi Honda created a feel of sadness in his Aranjuez better than Chan's.
Originally Posted by SkateFiguring
10-02-2011, 10:37 PM
SkateFiguring took the violet pill
Skatinginbc, I watched Aranjuez twice in a row, then took a break, and watched some others. Came back to watch it twice in a row again. Maybe more. I don't want to indulge because I know it will get even better.
After your post, I searched for and watched Honda's Aranjuez, trice. The first was completely ruined by the loud non-stop yupping of the commentators. Then I watched his bronze medal performance in 2002 Worlds. Ah, no commentators! It was the same or similar cut of music as Patrick's, not surprising since Lori did both. A great skate even with a fall and a step out. I watched it again, paying more attention to the music. Then I realized a reason I didn't get as much feeling out of his skate is that he was not able to use certain parts of the music like Patrick and skated through them. It takes Patrick's skating skills to make certain parts work so beautifully, without making it obvious. i.e. he makes me feel the music instead of his working the music or showing his skills. That increased my appreciation.
10-03-2011, 12:27 AM