I want to see his quad Salchow!
Meanwhile, Patrick is now in Beijing, getting ready for Artistry On Ice.
With Jeffery and Tu Ly who is Patrick's costume designer till Sochi 2014, and has been his groupie, travelling with him to competitions and shows and twitting pictures. I'm curious what he has designed for Patrick's new show number Moondance as shown on the AOI Program. Can't wait to see Pchiddy show some Ballroom dancing moves in Moondance.
Sasha is hurt in training and won't skate in Beijing but has assured Shen and Zhao she will participate in the Shanghai and Taipei shows.
I'm waiting for someone to start the Artistry On Ice thread.
Last edited by SkateFiguring; 07-14-2011 at 08:17 PM.
Wow what a talent!
Yep, he basically just did it on the first try though he was harnessed. Landed it independantly on the 3rd jump.Originally Posted by Tinymavy15
Patrick is a phenomenal talent and I've read so many young skaters from the US, Russia, Japan, China, and of course Canada, admiring and modeling after him. I've been thinking for while if his development process has been studied and evaluated by coaches. In skating skills vs jumps, there are artistic skaters who try to add jumps and there are jumpers who try to develop artistry. When Mr. Colson took a young Patrick in, he did not want to see his jumps or hear of them. Patrick had to start with figures. Once he had developed his outstanding skating skills, jumps were added year by year by design. The development program is contiued even after Mr. Colson's death. 4T was scheduled for 2009-10 but was delayed due to injury. Now he is picking up quads like nobody else. I believe he has been able to learn and land his quads so fast and easily because of the foundation of excellent skating skills. As well, his jump technics are so good that he hardly ever receive UR and edge calls.
The patience, the step by step learning, and the long term thinking in Patrick Chan's development program and his dazzling rise should merit attention and study.
I choose to remain skeptical regarding the 4S, in order to prevent the off-season from becoming too long waiting for it.
Good strategy, IP.
Patrick usually debuts his new programs at Liberty Skate but this summer he is doing shows in Asia. Got to pay his bills. We just have to wait. A new season is always exciting.
I'm not good at the jumps thing....so is 4S more difficult than 4T? What's the diff in terms of points?
4S is worth 0.20 points more than 4T (10.30) and is a jump that has been landed in competition. Patrick had asked others at his training rink and 4F was nominated to be his next quad so I was a little surprised he has done 4S instead. I too think he likes and does 3F better than 3S. Takahashi has attempted 4F but has always underrotated and two footed it so it's not in the record book yet.
eta. Click on ISU Communication 1611 on this page to see the point values of jumps on Pg 2.
3A - 8.5
4T - 10.3
4S -10.5
4Lo - 12.0
4F -12.3
4Lz -13.6
4A - 15.0
Last edited by SkateFiguring; 07-19-2011 at 08:46 PM.
Because the entirety of the lift and rotation come from the entry edge instead of the toe assist, many skaters find the sal harder than the toe (but there is another group of skaters who have easier time with edge jumps, so who's to say?).
First ratified 4S was Tim Goebel and it's the ONLY quad ratified that a lady has landed.
I think all skaters should follow Patrick's lead and think long-term. When everyone is done skating, I wouldn't be surprised if Patrick will still be healthier than his former competitors, since he didn't rush to jumping like everyone else.
He’s amazing. Watching him live immediately made me a fan. He has excellent skating and now he has jumps. A reliable second quad would help stabilize his 3a even more. I think he will be dominant up to Sochi, if he can stay healthy (knock on wood).
Thanks for the info.
I've been watching figure skating since Kurt Browning era, yet, I still can NOT tell the jumps other than the axel. Yeah, I'm that bad.
So if Patrick can do 4F, why not do that instead of 4S??
Another questions, over the years, there are many quads have been done successfully, what kind of quads were they? Has anyone done 4S? 4Lo? 4F? 4Lz?
Patrick hasn't had 4F yet, jettasian. People were just saying that with the way he was jumping 3F, he could easily do 4F.
Patrick is an exciting skater. With the speed like this, I won't be surprised if he has 3 kinds of quads and 4 quads in total in one competition by Sochi.
Last edited by Bluebonnet; 07-21-2011 at 12:24 AM.
Only 4T and 4S have been ratified. 4T is the most common and typical discussion about who has "the quad" references this jump. 4S was first landed by Tim Goebel and then Miki Ando. I think Florent Amodio and Brian Joubert have also had them ratified.
4Lz has been attempted by Mike Weiss and maybe Plushy but not successful. Weiss's were rotated but 2 footed.
4F has been attempted by Takahashi. The last attempt was UR and 2 footed and fallen on.
No one has attempted 4Lo in competition. There was video of Mao Asada working on one but it was badly UR.
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