Since when is Lori Patrick's "temporary coach"?Originally Posted by Bluebonnet
Has their situation changed or are you just making things up again? :sheesh: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Since when is Lori Patrick's "temporary coach"?
Has their situation changed or are you just making things up again? :sheesh: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I thought Lori was a transitional coach until Patrick finds a new coach, and his coach now is Krall.Sorry, I was sleeping when that happened.
So Hernando, please tell me, when was the last time that Lori seminared the judges?
She does too many for me to keep track of.I thought Lori was a transitional coach until Patrick finds a new coach, and his coach now is Krall.
So Hernando, please tell me, when was the last time that Lori seminared the judges?
Here is info about a seminar wth Lori and Joe Inman. Remember his name
http://www.skate-eos.on.ca/Documents...inar%20Jul.pdf
^ That was the only one I could find, too. A seminar sponsored by Skate Ontario for judging aspirants coming up through the ranks in eastern Canada.
I wish someone would post some actual facts to this thread.
I searched for ISU judges' seminars, but did not find anything useful. Has Nichol, since becoming Chan's coach, led any seminars for active ISU international judges? Or is this all just Internet chatter?
I wish someone would post some actual facts to this thread.
That's what I want to know too.
The one seminar posted by Hernando was just a regular training for the lower level coaches and judges within Canada. I'm not sure whether or not it's relavent to Hernando's big claim. Has Nichol trained international judges who are or will be judging her student since she becomes Patrick's coach? No one has cleared this up yet.
Last edited by Bluebonnet; 07-24-2011 at 09:52 PM.
Hey, If you say a wish for a third time , it might come true!!!
I think it's highly unlikely that anyone would find this kind of faults on Lori Nichol or ISU. Otherwise, why didn't Frank Carroll, or Mishin, or TAT, or Orser, or anyone say anything about it?!:sheesh:
Last edited by Bluebonnet; 07-24-2011 at 11:29 PM.
Hello Again from Backhand,
Yikes !!!!!! This may be the most Inane statement I've read since I joined this forum. SkateFiguring, I don't know anything about you but, I sure hope you're young.
SkateFiguring " Really, no experts in any areas of skating should be consulted and associated with ISU in any way. No actual skating of actual skaters should be used as illustrations. They should only lurk on forums to educate themselves about all aspects of skating. "
I hope you're just upset because you love Patrick. If not, I would love to have you sit next to me when a coach from the
" Group that got the Silver, or better yet, the group who finished 4th " finds out a judge was in violation of the Affiliation Rule. Having been Lead Judge of a panel, I am the person they come to if they have a problem with any judge. It's something I hope you never experience.
With the huge amount of money it takes just to get to worlds : Coaching fees, Flights, Hotels, and Ground Transportation. Not to mention the time it takes to book all these things ahead of time. I don't want anyone with even a Hint of an affiliation to be on that panel.
There are plenty of Retired Choreographers out there who would be more than happy to come to an ISU Seminar. Believe me, they'd love to assist judges with the new rules and how they vary from the old system.
Though, any judge in need of such assistance should not be part of a World Championship Panel........
Maybe I should put this in a new thread as it has nothing to do with Patrick ( I love him ) Chan.
Backhand
Last edited by backhand45; 07-24-2011 at 11:19 PM.
Backhand, I am still trying to understand what the Affiliation Rule has to do with Lori Nichol. Lori Nichol does not serve on any judging panel. She cannot be in violation of any rule that pertains to judges.
Following Seniorita's advice, I will ask a third time. Does anyone know whether Nichol was invited to conduct any seminars for ISU international judges after she took on coaching responsibilities for Patrick Chan?
In case of violation of rules, or code of ethics, I assume there are protocols for complaints and demands for reviews and investigations. I am sure someone cheated of a medal should and will launch such a procedure.
While there has not been any such formal allegation made against Patrick Chan by any of his competitors or any official (or against any medalist in any international event since 2002), enough people have nonetheless charged all kinds of improprieties without evidence, so much so that these allegations are taken as facts. With calling for his WC title to be stripped and at least cheapened and questioned, and all kinds of crazy racist rants made earlier today on this board, my little snark somehow is the most inane statement ever in this forum. OK dokey.
Isn't it sad? Someone must be very proud of himself!
Unless Hernando or anyone else could bring any new evidence, I think I could safely say that this multi-page accusation on Lori Nichol and ISU is false.
Hello Mathman,
This is a very good question.
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" Backhand, I am still trying to understand what the Affiliation Rule has to do with Lori Nichol. Lori Nichol does not serve on any judging panel. She cannot be in violation of any rule that pertains to judges ? "
IMO only. Here's Lori's problem. The judging seminars I've attended are usually broken into segments. Some segments are open to the public and focus on things like : How to run a successful show, or How to get more students into your program, How to find a good coach in your area. These are usually attended by Sponsors, Athletic Directors, or Band Directors. If Lori were to speak at one these sessions, there is no violation. Why, because she is offering her " opinion " based on her experience. Those in attendance can take her advice or not, without worry.
Other segments are for judges and coaches and are not open to the public. These often focus on Education and cover things like : How to design a successful program, Which elements will help improve scores if done successfully, In what order should these elements be placed, Designing a winning costume, Explanation of new rules, How to speak with a judge after a show.
Because this segment is based on facts, not opinion. And its purpose is to " Inform " those in attendance. It would be a violation for Lori to speak......on behalf of the Association. this is why it's so important to know what Lori did at a seminar before we give an opinion.
I can tell you this much. I would love to attend a seminar given by Lori as I have loved her work for years. Along with Sandra B. they are by far the best IMO of course. All she has to do is call it the Lori Nichol Choreography Seminar and she can invite anyone she wants and say anything she likes because it's not an ISU Sponsored event.
Backhand
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