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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    Mrs. P - I think it looks like a Rhythmic Gymnastics kind of choreography where it's flex leg catch, pose in an uncomfortable looking position, do something....
    Exactly!

    I also consider that she's doing Dark Eyes, I always think first of Sasha Cohen (who is very flexible) and Akiko Suzuki (who is not) so that's probably why this choreo drives me nuts -- because quite frankly I've seen it done much better!

    And both programs came during the COP, we can't even use that excuse. Of course maybe it's a bit much to ask a junior program to match up to two senior programs...still as you say Julia is clearly musical, but it doesn't really show here.
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    I think some of you are too harsh towards Julia! She is 13 years old! Remember that Sasha and Akiko skated to this music when they were in their 20's.

    I have to say, bravo Julia, prosta bravo! Fantastic skater! :D

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    She's definitely yet another bright prospect for the Russian ladies but, like all of the Russian ladies, she's in need of some better choreography. I think Polina Korobeynikova might have the best programs out of all of the new Russian girls. All of them need to be challenged with tougher choreography; only then will we see the artistic side begin to emerge.

    But for someone so young, I don't hold it against her. I don't think it's impossible or harsh to expect a 13 year old with her skill level to have better programs, but I won't trash her for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILoveFigures View Post
    I think some of you are too harsh towards Julia! She is 13 years old! Remember that Sasha and Akiko skated to this music when they were in their 20's.

    I have to say, bravo Julia, prosta bravo! Fantastic skater! :D
    Well, I thought of that. (hence my comment is it realistic to ask a junior skater to live up to a senior program). I do want to point out that I like Julia, she is going to rock the skating world if she stays on the same path as she is now. However, as MS and I both point out, we don't feel her choreography (which she didn't do!) doesn't really show her best features.

    The fact that we're nit-picking her chroeo is an indication there isn't much else to be fussy about. =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanatic View Post
    She's definitely yet another bright prospect for the Russian ladies but, like all of the Russian ladies, she's in need of some better choreography. I think Polina Korobeynikova might have the best programs out of all of the new Russian girls. All of them need to be challenged with tougher choreography; only then will we see the artistic side begin to emerge.

    But for someone so young, I don't hold it against her. I don't think it's impossible or harsh to expect a 13 year old with her skill level to have better programs, but I won't trash her for it.
    I like Polina K's choreo a lot, also. I think I like her and Hannah Miller because they flow from element to element. While Julia has programs jam packed with transitions, they are a bit jarring to me.

    The lack of great choreo is surprising considering the strong Russian pairs tradition, which is ooooozzzing with amazing choreography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    Well, I thought of that. (hence my comment is it realistic to ask a junior skater to live up to a senior program). I do want to point out that I like Julia, she is going to rock the skating world if she stays on the same path as she is now. However, as MS and I both point out, we don't feel her choreography (which she didn't do!) doesn't really show her best features.

    The fact that we're nit-picking her chroeo is an indication there isn't much else to be fussy about. =)
    Agreed. It sort of reminded me of CaroZ's programs when she was a Junior - do some sort of super-flexi move, do an element, and so on. I don't see exactly how it all flows together yet. She might get there, she might not. It would be a shame if she didn't live up to her potential.

    Unfortunately, it often seems that the super-flexi skaters are the ones who suffer most during body changes of growing up with losing their technical skills, so she's on the wait and see list versus someone to go gaga over at 13.

    I don't think my description is harsh, it's accurate. I say similar types of things to the kids I skate with regarding their choreography. One of the skaters I asked if his coach was in the habit of taking the entirety of Evan Lysacek's Olympic program and dropping it on top of different music without a 3A. He didn't even realize she had done that until I pointed it out...

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    Is it my imagination or is this event more of a splatfest than usual? Four flights of skaters with only one managing to stand up all the way through seems a bit unusual. (In advance of seeing protocols, I'm assuming the deductions are for falls, which is most likely.) Ice conditions? Lots of nerves? An army of risk-takers? Well, let's see what the top 6 have to offer....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsisjiejie View Post
    Is it my imagination or is this event more of a splatfest than usual? Four flights of skaters with only one managing to stand up all the way through seems a bit unusual. (In advance of seeing protocols, I'm assuming the deductions are for falls, which is most likely.) Ice conditions? Lots of nerves? An army of risk-takers? Well, let's see what the top 6 have to offer....
    Awww too bad, Jason Brown fell too. It look like the jump was fully rotated, it seem like a slipped edge or something. Good skate otherwise.

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    From the SP video Jason definitely looked like he had grown substantially taller. It was amazing how he skated like it didn't affect him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    From the SP video Jason definitely looked like he had grown substantially taller. It was amazing how he skated like it didn't affect him.
    Yeah, when he fell, he was up in about 1.5 seconds. (I looked at the timer). I'm hoping that he'll get that 3A soon because he has so much to offer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsisjiejie View Post
    Is it my imagination or is this event more of a splatfest than usual? Four flights of skaters with only one managing to stand up all the way through seems a bit unusual. (In advance of seeing protocols, I'm assuming the deductions are for falls, which is most likely.) Ice conditions? Lots of nerves? An army of risk-takers? Well, let's see what the top 6 have to offer....
    The competition isn't even over and there are more deductions than skaters in the competition!

    Ladies and dance weren't a splatfest, so maybe it's one of those days for the men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    From the SP video Jason definitely looked like he had grown substantially taller. It was amazing how he skated like it didn't affect him.
    It did all summer (and has hampered his ability to currently master the 3A)

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    24 Lap Kan YUEN HKG 81.46 24 24
    25 Suchet KONGCHIM THA 80.30 22 26
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    Han Yan smokes the field, especially on technical content! Amazing. Congrats to the medalists and particularly to Korean Jun Hyoung-Lee who grabbed the bronze over my expected pick, Dmitriev. I thought maybe Jason Brown would try his 3A and hoped that this was what he went down on (if you have to fall, at least let it be on something heroic. ) But alas, after seeing the protocols, it was not so. Kudos to Yostanto for landing his 3A-2T and even with some +GOE.

    I still say "splatfest" with 22 out of 26 men down. Let us hope ladies and dance doesn't follow the same pattern.
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