If she's got a bye through regionals, IceNetwork doesn't seem to know it...she's on the roster I linked to in my post above.Originally Posted by silverlake22
If she's got a bye through regionals, IceNetwork doesn't seem to know it...she's on the roster I linked to in my post above.
Speaking of which, how does Samantha Cesario have a bye for her regionals? Her regionals are the same time as Gracie's so she couldn't get out of it due to JGP. (Sylvia, can you explain?)
ETA: It looks like per Sylvia's site that Gracie does indeed have a bye (though she's listed on the roster).
Last edited by Mrs. P; 10-15-2011 at 11:14 PM.
Thanks for the correction. I just rewatched Vanessa Lam's Nationals LP recently and remembered that she did well, but I forgot about Christina and Agnes. I can't imagine if Christina, Agnes, Vanessa, and Gracie were all in Senior Nationals vying for Junior Worlds spots (in addition to Cesario and the other JGP'ers). The US has had so many promising and successful juniors recently - if only one would translate to the senior circuit..
Gracie kind of reminds me of Christina Gao when she suddenly had a miraculous summer of 2009 and broke onto the JGP stage, wowing people with her jumps and medaling at the JGPF.. Then at 2010 Nationals the TV commentators all called her the future of the sport. But the consistency was never really there with Christina and she never scored like Gracie just did, so we'll see..
Hannah Miller was initially listed in the EGL Regionals Junior Ladies starting order on IceNetwork 2 weeks ago like Gracie Gold currently is for UGL Regionals -- both received "late" byes due to their JGP assignments as alternates and their internationals being 7 or fewer days before or after Regionals. I assume their names were not submitted as byes to the USFS Regional accountants early enough to be removed from their respective SP draws.
Samantha Cesario qualified for a bye through her Regionals in 2 ways -- because she won the Senior Ladies event at Eastern Sectionals last year and also because her 2nd JGP in Estonia was the week before North Atlantics.
Here's the link to my post in the US Regionals thread that contains a link to my unofficial US Sectionals qualifiers page and list of known byes: http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...l=1#post582393
So do these girls get a bye to Nationals or do they still have to qualify?
Of all the U.S. JGP skaters/teams, only those who qualify for the JGP Final receive a bye through Sectionals to Nationals (follow link posted above for my Sectionals unofficial rosters-in-progress).
Gold has to go to Sectionals. If she had 2 events and had qualified for the final, she would have gotten a bye.
I agree, after watching their programs again i had a feeling they gave Gracie too many points because she didn't seem to be that much better than Risa considering the sp and the lp altogether...
I guess every one has a different opinion on "that much better" but I still think Gracie deserved to win by a good margin. Just on the tech side alone, Gracie's base value was 7.65 points more than Risa's. That would already account for more than 50 percent of the 14.86 point margin Gracie had in the competition.
Gracie got 12.11 points in just +GOE vs 7.98 for Risa, a 4.13 point difference. That's 11.78 when added with the BV difference.
Everyone is wondering if Gracie should have gotten more points in PCS. Okay between the two programs, Gracie's PCS was 77.77 vs 74.69 for Risa, 3.08 points.While Risa is quite elegant and has great skating skills, Gracie also has some great skills (i.e. speed/transition/execution) that would keep her in the PCS game.
Also, quite frankly, Risa's somewhat tentative skating in the long program probably lost her some points as well. While Gracie made mistakes, they didn't interrupt the program at all. (That single loop almost looked like it was planned, given how calmly she moved on; same with the lower level spin.) that's going to help you in that execution mark.
I would say that perhaps that the judges could have scored Risa higher in PCS but it would not be a runaway like everyone is insisting. i would say perhaps, at best, five points over Gracie. So if you added the difference plus five points (8.08 points), you still have Gracie winning by 6.78 points, which would make sense given her stronger tech content.
The thing Gracie had over the entire group of skaters (including Risa) was flow in and out of jumps (and this IS accounted for in PCS). If you watch her flow, she is almost as fast flowing OUT of her jumps as she is going in. There were several jumps that Risa was much slower on the way out of her jumps than going in like she was eeking them out. This is going to hurt the PE and SS marks.
Yes Gracie had a little more speed and height but her jumps seemed a bit stiff when she landed them whereas Risa's looked more elegant nevertheless you're right about the rest.
Interesting!!! I didn't know about this bye type. Seniors only, I presume. Thanks for the info, Sylvia.
No, if you win the level you are skating in the previous year, you get a bye. Nathan Chen stayed Novice last year and had a bye all the way through to Nationals as a Novice.
Yes, Seniors only. Another example - Scott Dyer won the Senior Men's event at Eastern Sectionals last season and received a bye through the Senior Men's event at SWP Regionals this year (even though he switched regions/clubs).
No, as the 2010 Novice National men's champ Chen only had a bye through Regionals last year; he had to compete at Sectionals to qualify for 2011 Nationals.
(These are rules published in the USFS rulebook.)
Last edited by Sylvia; 10-17-2011 at 01:38 PM.
I agree with this but watching her FS, Risa was visibly tentative and nervous. It wasn't as obvious as it was for Sam, but you could tell she was thinking through that performance. Gracie OTOH had nothing to lose and just went for it, and that was visible in her programs. Samantha's PCS in the FS were much lower than both Risa and Gracie, while in the SP all three girls had essentially equal PCS, so I really do think the nervous skating makes a difference. Risa was probably feeling the pressure of qualifying for the final and you could tell. I love Risa's skating and think she is definitely more elegant than Gracie, at least at this point, but I think Gracie having no pressure and skating with all guns blazing made her seem more impressive than if she was facing pressure to make the final herself. So I'm ok with it. 50.51 is pretty high PCS for a junior lady as is, so I'm not too worried about Risa. If she skates well at the JGPF I think she can definitely medal. If she had rotated the lutz, her score likely would have been around 108, maybe 110, which is pretty impressive. I doubt she will beat Julia but I think she has a good shot at finishing ahead of all the others. I'd love of podium of Julia, Risa, and Zijun.
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