LADIES LONG PROGRAM Thread

museksk8r · Oct 23, 2011

I think this has become a matter of attempting high risk jump difficulty results in PCS boost from the judges. Right or wrong, COP judging is known for this and Czisny reaped the benefits here.

Mrs. P · Oct 23, 2011

Hey Carolina did get a level four on her step sequence. Good for her!

Spins:

Alissa = 13.12
Carolina = 7.80

Alissa beat Carolina on spins alone by more than FIVE POINTS. That is crazy to think about.
Alissa, not surprisngly, also beat Carolina in the spiral by a half-point.

Carolina beat Alissa by a point in the step sequence.

Jump elements:
Carolina 39.65
Alissa 30.84.

Carolina beat Alissa by just under 9 points.

And Alissa beat Carolina in PCS by about a point.

bekalc · Oct 23, 2011

To be frank while I'd given it to Kostner on both categories, this judging wasn't the farce D/C getting higher PCS than B/L was.

Medusa · Oct 23, 2011

Iscariot said:
Glad Kostner got Lv4 in her footwork, but sadly two combination spins level 1 cost her a lot

All three spins were a little sketchy from Kostner.

Mathman · Oct 23, 2011

Base value of technical elements: Kostner 49.02, Czisny 49.03.

ImaginaryPogue · Oct 23, 2011

I tend to agree with people. If you reverse the SS component alone (which should definitely be done as Czisny is sorta nowhere near Kostner, who probably has the best SS from the ladies), Kostner wins. Czisny didn't deserve the win. I'm glad she fought, I'm glad Kostner was relatively clean, and I hope both grow and challenge themselves this year and I look forward to their development. Hometown judging definitely

museksk8r · Oct 23, 2011

bekalc said:
To be frank while I'd given it to Kostner on both categories, this judging wasn't the farce D/C getting higher PCS than B/L was.

Totally agree with you!

Violet Bliss · Oct 23, 2011

Alissa just got the highest PCS (62.91) of her career, beating PB of 61.47 from SC 2010. Her TES is way below PB of 60.65 from Worlds 2011.

emma · Oct 23, 2011

thanks mrs. P....I think I should be feeling awful that Alissa won....but, I'm just not...but, I do think Carolina was exquisite.

ETA ...but IP I totally agree with you; I just don't feel like it was highway robbery.

museksk8r · Oct 23, 2011

To look at how both of these wildly inconsistent ladies are breathing new life into their skating careers and delivering gutsy and heartwarming performances is so beautiful to see. I'm so glad I can witness it! :biggrin:

Tonichelle · Oct 23, 2011

Mrs. P said:
Hey Carolina did get a level four on her step sequence. Good for her!

Spins:

Alissa = 13.12
Carolina = 7.80

Alissa beat Carolina on spins alone by more than FIVE POINTS. That is crazy to think about.
Alissa, not surprisngly, also beat Carolina in the spiral by a half-point.

Carolina beat Alissa by a point in the step sequence.

Jump elements:
Carolina 39.65
Alissa 30.84.

Carolina beat Alissa by just under 9 points.

And Alissa beat Carolina in PCS by about a point.

and that's where Alissa has always given herself a buffer of sorts, her spins...

SXTN · Oct 23, 2011

Over the last years I almost forgot how spectacular and elegant Kostner's jumps are when clean.

Czisny's jumps look akward and distracting even when she lands them cleanly.

museksk8r · Oct 23, 2011

Itcaip said:
Over the last years I almost forgot how spectacular and elegant Kostner's jumps are when clean.

I know! They're so light, airy, and delicious . . . like she's floating over the ice! :yes: :love:

SXTN · Oct 23, 2011

museksk8r said:
I know! They're so light, airy, and delicious . . . like she's floating over the ice! :yes:

Her 3Loop and her 2T's in her combos were so light and elegant. The first salchow was a cracking as well.

Mathman · Oct 23, 2011

One drawback to the CoP is that the SP leader can back into the championship.

I do not understand how people can cheer so lustily for the virtues of the CoP, yet cry foul so loudly at CoP results in actual competitions.

skfan · Oct 23, 2011

emma said:
thanks mrs. P....I think I should be feeling awful that Alissa won....but, I'm just not...but, I do think Carolina was exquisite.

ETA ...but IP I totally agree with you; I just don't feel like it was highway robbery.

it was highway robbery. czisny was like a ghost out there.

see, mirai, if you only had a bit more gumption, this kind of home cookin' could be waiting for you!

in a few days the stench of this judging will wear off, and i'll still be able to watch a skate with some spark to a not-poorly-cut version of one of my favorite pieces of music

thanks, caro and lori.

i didn't watch the pairs, can't venture an opinion on who was robbed in _that_ event.

Violet Bliss · Oct 23, 2011

Mathman said:
One drawback to the CoP is that the SP leader can back into the championship.

I do not understand how people can cheer so lustily for the virtues of the CoP, yet cry foul so loudly at CoP results in actual competitions.

People cry foul in all competitions.

bekalc · Oct 23, 2011

Mathman said:
One drawback to the CoP is that the SP leader can back into the championship.

I do not understand how people can cheer so lustily for the virtues of the CoP, yet cry foul so loudly at CoP results in actual competitions.

I don't mind it so much, but one could argue it should have been a tad closer between both in the short Alissa's 3flip was underrotated.

Tonichelle · Oct 23, 2011

Mathman said:
One drawback to the CoP is that the SP leader can back into the championship.

I do not understand how people can cheer so lustily for the virtues of the CoP, yet cry foul so loudly at CoP results in actual competitions.

same way folks can do the same about 6.0

Serious Business · Oct 23, 2011

Mathman said:
One drawback to the CoP is that the SP leader can back into the championship.

I do not understand how people can cheer so lustily for the virtues of the CoP, yet cry foul so loudly at CoP results in actual competitions.

I am against bad, inconsistent and unfair judging whether it's under the CoP or any other system. And it seems to me most people who say Kostner should've won are saying that the CoP was not applied correctly to her and Alissa's scores when it comes to the PCS. So we're for the CoP, and against this panel of judges.

LADIES LONG PROGRAM Thread

museksk8r

Mrs. P

Uno, Dos, twizzle!

bekalc

Medusa

Mathman

ImaginaryPogue

museksk8r

Violet Bliss

emma

museksk8r

Tonichelle

Idita-Rock-n-Roll

SXTN

museksk8r

SXTN

Mathman

skfan

Violet Bliss

bekalc

Tonichelle

Idita-Rock-n-Roll

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