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Can we dismiss D/W's score as being only in America then? What happens when they compete head to head in Canada (as in the GPF)?
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Can we dismiss D/W's score as being only in America then? What happens when they compete head to head in Canada (as in the GPF)?
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I know. But do you really and truly believe their program is the equal of D/W?
I feel V/M's Funny Face FD is their best ever FD that I have seen. I don't know if it's better than anybody else's, whether currently competing or in history, it doesn't matter to me. I know a masterpiece when I see one.
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Yes, I truly do.
D/W do what they do well, but it's all surface. There's no profound understanding of the music. I love the shifts in colour in the performance from V/M: there's a playful spirit, the beautiful embodiment of characters, the slightly noirish tinge, the wistful S'Wonderful, and the terrific climax. It can definitely improve, and I expect it too, but the scores are so close that I really don't get how you can be so utterly dismissive of them, to be honest.
Well, they can always pretend to be sick or fake an accident, better than raise a white flag.
Sorry, I can't help it when some people like to abuse the word "never" in this sport. Then again, some people insist V/M only won the Olympics because it happened in Canada - only to find out they could also beat anyone else outside of Canada (in Italy) as well a month later.- Joined
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Well, they can always pretend to be sick or fake an accident, better than raise a white flag.
Or forget that they lost to D/W in Canada (4CC 2009) but then beat them in the USA (Worlds 2009).
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Well, I respect you guys and will watch both again (duh)... but this was an honest first reaction from someone who fully expected them to top even the amazing FD that D/W have put out. For me this program can't touch the Mahler FD which was my idea of an instant masterpiece.
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R/T got two point deduction for music restriction. I think their score will improve as the season progresses.
I think Tessa is channelling Audrey Herbun perfectly, which is a big big compliment. With their undeniable connection, beautiful posture and extension, outstanding skate skill, they are carrying the music, not the other way around as in D/W's case. So we'll just have to wait and see.
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Right. But even Mahler had to wait until Nationals/Olympics before it was skated at it's peak, so what you're arguing is that D/W have put out something so superior that V/M are simply incapable of beating them no matter how much they improve.
Don't think this redux of That's Entertaiment FD is even close to a masterpiece. Terrible music cuts and rather boring. They also got one point less for this dance than D&W in Canada no less. There already is a buzz in the skating world re D&W waltz, which has already been labelled a classic. D&W just need to work more on the SD, but their waltz is sublime.
For all the talk of individual personal preferences of either D/W or V/M and the skating style, performance ability, musical nuance, home ice advantage, etc. between the two events, their difference in score comes down to one level on the first rhumba sequence.
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Seriously. It's going to be quite a season. Barring mistakes by either team, it will probably come down to what judges want to any given competition. The atmosphere in canton is going to be...interesting.
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Riazanova/Tkachenko got at music restriction violations of -2.00. Not uplifting enough or no discernable beat?
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Was there a moment in their program when you didn't hear the beat? I'm confused.
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Disagree with me all you want but please don't tell me what I'm arguing. I thought Mahler was fabulous the first time I saw it. And I suggested improvements precisely so that V/M's program can be more competitive with D/W. I realize I misspoke by saying "never" but I meant "never in this form" ie not unless they rework it with improvements such as those I immediately tried to suggest... or better ones!
I usually prefer V/M to D/W because the latter are too busy and less emotional but this is one time when IMO D/W have turned their strengths into an advantage.
