11-07-2011, 08:00 PM
I just don't believe that
- she is in a position to comment at all, let alone negatively on a full grown ladies skills when she has not experienced competition at this stage herself.
- She can compare competing or skating under the 6.0 system as opposed to the IJS. I just checked her lp from nationals when she was 15. She had a glaring flutz and the second loop on her lp/lp was between a half and quarter cheat. That was with low level spins and footwork.
There are few ladies in the world who are completing consistently clean 3/3s (not including toe) without downgrades or
edge calls in the program under pressure. Kudos to those that have hung in there until adulthood. Mirai is still battling growth issues IMO. She appears to have a more womanly body this year and is likely having to make adjustments accordingly. I hope she hangs in there as she is doing great for an 18 year old. Mao Asada is arguably the most talented skater in the last 20 years and has had to make adjustments after growing.
I just found Taras comments to be indicative of her experience or lack there of while at the same time insulting. Maybe she would be better off working the Jr Grand Prixs.
Last edited by havefun; 11-07-2011 at 08:14 PM.
11-07-2011, 08:33 PM
Tara criticizes the US ladies lack of technical content, but what about Carolina Kostner? She has fashioned success out of failure by stripping the hard stuff out of her programs. She's been getting huge scores ever since. Having a 3/3 doesn't guarantee success, as Sotnikova can attest. Taking risks by attempting harder jumps / jump combinations may not result in a higher placement if the technical panel finds the rotation or jump entry deficient.
CoP is not Tara's 6.0 system, where her egregious flutz was ignored, her 3lo/3lo wasn't subjected to rotational validation, and her minuscule 2a didn't get -GOE for lack of height. She needs to stop referring to her long-ago prowess and take the time to understand that there's no way to guarantee that she would have done as well under the current system as she did under 6.0. Tara should stop talking about herself and concentrate on the skaters about whom she's supposed to be commenting.
11-07-2011, 09:24 PM
Out of interest I reviewed her Olympic lp
2 lutz edge calls
2nd 3lp on combo ur if not dg'd
3sal ur on sequence
Layback level 1
Flying camel level 1. No fly .....stopover
1 level 2 and 1 level 3 spin
No transitions or footwork.
That's 5 triples ....2 with edge calls. Hmmmm.....around 80 to 90 points at best for that program.
Last edited by havefun; 11-07-2011 at 09:27 PM.
11-07-2011, 09:47 PM
You can't call 6.0 programs under COP. It just doesn't work. They didn't have to gain levels on spins/step sequences, and underrotations/edge calls were not as heavily penalized. You think Hughes, Lipinski, Baiul (just picking the 90s ones, I think Yamaguchi probably still would've won '92) would've scored well for their LPs? No.
Originally Posted by havefun
11-07-2011, 10:08 PM
Fair enough on the jumps, but I think it's unfair to judge spins and footwork under 6.0 by COP standards, since skaters under 6.0 didn't have to do pointless things to gain levels and no technical credit was given for footwork.
Originally Posted by havefun
11-07-2011, 11:28 PM
Case in point. It was very poor judgement of her to compare skating now to 20 years ago.
11-08-2011, 10:50 AM
"Hold an edge and look sexy!"
I totally agree with this. It's unfortunate that the US has no commentator who is truly knowledgeable about the COP judging system in the singles and pairs skating disciplines. The one commentator who I do think does an excellent job is Judy Blumberg, ice dance commentator, who just so happens to be an ISU technical specialist. She does a wonderful job of telling the viewing audience what the judges are looking for during the routines. Maybe Alissa Czisny could step into the commentary booth when she is done competing and actually give an experienced and useful account of what it is like to actually be a COP competitor.
Originally Posted by chuckm
11-08-2011, 10:53 AM
Wicked Yankee Girl