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    We shall see, but I think the unusual circumstances surrounding Worlds last season hindered Mao significantly and aren't a good indication of how well she will peak this season.

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    Just a reminder for the folks that get Univ Sports that the Ladies and Ice Dance FS competition from today is supposed to be aired tonight
    from 6:00 pm-8:00 pm EST.

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    Regarding Mirai's ommiting the flip, that solo 3T should be a flip, because earlier in the program a 2A-3T is planned, and since Mirai's already repeating the Lz and Lo. Hopefully Mirai can hone her lutes and flips up to Nationals now that it appears 3Lo is a money jump for her.

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    As a skating fan, I am so happy that Caro has stuck it out and didn't quit when things were bleakest for her. She is one of the most enjoyable skaters to watch out there and she has grown so elegant, even if her jumps aren't as difficult as they used to be. The comparisons between Alissa and Caro are inevitable because both have been praised as elegant skaters but criticized for their inconsistency. But I agree with those who are saying that they are totally different in their styles. Caro is much faster and has much better jumps when she lands them but of course nobody matches Alissa on her spins and i do love her gentle style. I am thrilled that so far both are doing well this season again. Fingers crossed for the rest of the season. Go Caro and Alissa.

    I'd love to hear from anyone who saw this competition live about Mirai. On the internet she seemed serious and cautious but during the slo mo reps it seemed like she was much more into her music than it seemed on the Net. Too bad she is having all of these fiddly jump issues. It's disappointing not to see her 2a3t combo and that she hasn't really been able to master a triple triple. Not that she doesn't have other things going for her but I certainly hoped she would be one of these skaters who could jump AND be artistic. Still, congratulations to her for a decent skate and for her silver. I hope she continues to build momentum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    We shall see, but I think the unusual circumstances surrounding Worlds last season hindered Mao significantly and aren't a good indication of how well she will peak this season.
    Blades, I really, really hope you're right on the money about Mao. She's my favorite active skater (though I love Alissa dearly) and I think the most prodigiously talented of the current skaters, and I hope she's able to skate to her full potential from now through Sochi. I will cross fingers and toes for next week! I think it's to be shown on American TV, so I may actually get to see it.

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    ladies are on UniSports right now... love Tara's commentary.

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    I like the way it looks like Universal is alternating commentators according to discipline and even on the same one.
    Wasn't it Suzie Wynne(sp?) last week? I might be wrong.
    It's usually Peter C. for every discipline, except dance.
    I like, Tara, too. But I wanna hear Michael Weiss! Or Paul Wylie works as well. Lol.

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    Kanako Murakami looks more grown up this year, but I still prefer Akiko.

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    Congtats Mirai on the silver medal. But I do not get it. Am I the only one who felt that she skated like she was just taking care of elements one by one, just because she got to do it?I did not feel any emotions from her. Miss previous Mirai with a lot of sparks.

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    Apparently Carolina landed a good 3F3T in the warm-up...it's a pity that she didn't land properly the flip and do the toe! But it means she is planning it! Still she has great programs this year and I hope to continue to see her confident as she has been these weeks!!

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    It was outrageous that the technical specialist did not downgrade Adelina's severelly cheated 3f+3loop<<<. She prerotated 360 degrees on the ice for the 3loop take off(5'50).

    http://www.youtube.com/user/frida340#p/u/4/UKF5Lbz9Kec

    Poor Mao and Miki. Their 3+3loop got downgraded all the time but Adelina's was worse in rotations.

    Some posters proclaimed this girl could easily win world championships if she's age eligible. I don't think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    I really dont see it, but at least I d prefer the non forced artistry of Mao to be copied.
    Carolina s style doesnt look similar to Alisa btw.
    Of course, Alissa and Carolina have different approaches and different styles. To me, when Alissa metamorphosed like a butterfly with her lovely, mesmerizing programs last season, that became the beacon. Even Miki Ando and coach took note and dumped Miki's original more edgy sp for a more lyrical style (which doesn't exactly suit Miki, but she prevailed overall at Worlds). For quite awhile, Carolina has been struggling with jump landings, consistency, and costumes (too often wearing too short numbers to show-off her legs, but coming off a bit too slutty -- the ones she's finally wearing now are much more complementary).

    I think Carolina working with Frank is one of the first things that helped her adjust her approach and overall packaging, because she and her programs looked transformed during her brief time with Carroll, and I was happy for her. Carolina though wasn't happy in America, and she decided to return to a more comfortable setting with her former coach, which I think has been great for her. The key is that Carolina carried home with her a better, more refined approach to her skating, which is working beautifully. I'm not saying that Carolina is especially trying to do exactly what Alissa does. However, I am saying that Alissa's lyrical skating is inspirational. IMHO, Carolina has been inspired to express more lyricism without losing any of the edginess and angularity that defines her style. She has moderated her rush-rush speed, however, which I think has helped her concentration, and thus she is not botching as many of her jumps or falling completely apart. Not unlike Alissa, Carolina is still sometimes messy on the jump landings. Both Carolina and Alissa still have room for much improvement. I like them both, but I tend to enjoy Alissa more. That is not to say I don't root for Carolina -- I have and I do. I just do not like the sense of Carolina having the inside track politically, which even if many don't agree, has certainly been a factor in Carolina's career. At first she was being set-up for the 2006 Olympics (being awarded bronze prematurely IMO at 2005 Worlds). Carolina had a very hard time living up to the hype and the pressure, and she has struggled off and on since then. Perhaps this will be her season to shine more consistently. But I don't think she is high and above Alissa in any way. Speed is over-rated, and like I said, Carolina has modulated her speed for more effective presentation and artistic expression. We should all root for a good and uplifting rivalry.

    ETA: I always enjoy hearing your take, museks8r. I never said that Alissa was the first or only lyrical skater on the planet. What I did and do say is that Alissa's skating has been inspirational to many of her peers, IMO, including Carolina. That doesn't mean I think their styles are the same. When we are inspired by something we see or feel, I believe that our senses and awareness are heightened to other possibilities within ourselves. This goes for skating and for any creative endeavor. As far as your other points, museks8r, sure I believe Mirai has not fully developed in her range because she has been struggling with her jump technique and her volatile emotions. You may love Carolina's choreography more than any of her competitors this season, but I don't think her choreography is necessarily superior to Alissa's. I do agree that Carolina has stronger jumps, but like Alissa, Carolina has lacked consistency in that area, for different reasons. As far as interpretive range, Carolina has nothing on Alissa. It seems to me there is an underlying sense in the critiques of "Oh Alissa and her spins, that's the only thing that sets her apart ... it's always heart in throat watching her jump." Well, I disagree that spins are the only thing Alissa has going for her, and I think Alissa has shown a great deal of toughness, spirit and backbone to get to where she is today. Both Alissa and Carolina sometimes struggle with their jumps, and they both have that "heart-in-throat" quality about their skating (in more ways than one).

    2nd ETA: Definitely I agree with Carolina's win here, but she wasn't clean, and I do think her scores were a bit inflated, but nothing to get too excited about. At least Mirai is showing signs of life and improvement from her SC outing, and that's saying something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brightphoton View Post
    Carolina's artistic style isn't anything like Alissa's. For one thing, Carolina's artistry consists of more than "HHHHHNNNNGGGHHHH" during spins elements and "worry face" during non-spin elements.
    i couldn't agree more.

    I really like Carolina's programs this season. Even though I'm rooting for Mao to win worlds, I'm rooting for Carolina to skate the Mozart long perfectly at least once this season. By that I don't mean just perfect jumps-- the little steps could be in time with the music, the spins and jumps shouldn't finish late so that the choreography lags behind the music... Does that 3-sal need to be moved? It always feels like there's not enough time after that jump before the music's tempo picks up. And she could express spontaneity and joy in the fast tempo section (SKAM) rather than tightness and hesitation (CoChina).

    One other thing-- can someone with better eyes tell me why Carolina's spins were level 4 this week but only level 1 last week in the long program? Their centering, speed, etc don't seem all that much better than the last time around. I thought this skate was not as good as SKAM, yet she scored higher. What does this different panel see that the SKAM panel didn't (aside from the de-facto crowned 2012 US Champion in the line-up)?

    Kanako's long program dress is beautiful. Her skating has certain unrefined aspects that don't appeal to me, but she's stretching her artistic boundaries beyond perky and cute, and that's good to see.

    I thought Adelina was the most impressive lady in the long, jump issues and all. She attacked, she connected with her music, she didn't look scared or somehow mentally absent, although she appeared to run out of gas midway through the program. That spin where she grabs her shin/knee is just unaesthetic, but those nicely extended jump landings with the pointed toes... how I've missed those

    As for the other ladies... aside from the axel issues, Gao still skates with the same lack of refinement she did when she debuted on the senior US scene. The 'YNK-lite' packaging does her no favors, only highlighting what she lacks that YNK could bring to powerful tango music. Good to see the bangs tamed, though. Maybe Gao and Mirai Nagasu should switch up coaches & choreographers? Or maybe not, because Mirai turned it up a notch at this competition

    I don't want to jinx Mao, but if Mao is anywhere near her best... *crosses fingers*

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    Quote Originally Posted by aemeraldrainc View Post
    Wasn't it Suzie Wynne(sp?) last week? I might be wrong.
    It's Judy Blumberg, ISU technical specialist, 3-time World bronze medalist, and 5-time US champion in ice dancing. I love her commentary!

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    Quote Originally Posted by genki View Post
    Congtats Mirai on the silver medal. But I do not get it. Am I the only one who felt that she skated like she was just taking care of elements one by one, just because she got to do it?I did not feel any emotions from her. Miss previous Mirai with a lot of sparks.
    Finally got to watch the ladies FS and I have to agree Mirai's sparkle was missing. Mirai was all business and got through her elements
    one by one without letting her emotions get in the way and it worked for her, she got great scores in her Short and the Long and medaled. Mission accomplished.
    I think she was determined to skate her programs clean and this hindered her somewhat in the interpretation of the music. Spartacus is such a great piece of music that I hope
    as the season progresses Miria can incorporate the sparkle back into her programs. That said I thought she skated great and deserved the Silver.

    Caro what more can I say, she is a goddess on the ice and I don't think she was over-scored at all. Loved both of her programs.

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