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    Carolina has speed and very little else. While she has improved from 2 years ago, she still has issues with her jumps and the judges continue to give her gifts. It is very clear that most of her landings are not particularly stable and she attempts to cover them up with steps out of the jump. Her programs are always flawed. She is consistently overscored and her competiton, underscored. It is no surprise that figure skating has become a fringe sport, with no mainstream t.v. coverage, with judging like this. The general public simply will never understand the complexity of the scoring system and furthermore, why should they bother? It makes little sense. For example, a slightly underrotated jump, which does not impact the flow of the program, is more of a negative than a wonky landing that impacts the flow and beauty of the presentation? Oh yeah, that makes perfect sense. This sport continues to go the way of the dinosaur and become less and less relevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyla2 View Post
    Carolina has speed and very little else. While she has improved from 2 years ago, she still has issues with her jumps and the judges continue to give her gifts. It is very clear that most of her landings are not particularly stable and she attempts to cover them up with steps out of the jump. Her programs are always flawed. She is consistently overscored and her competiton, underscored. It is no surprise that figure skating has become a fringe sport, with no mainstream t.v. coverage, with judging like this. The general public simply will never understand the complexity of the scoring system and furthermore, why should they bother? It makes little sense. For example, a slightly underrotated jump, which does not impact the flow of the program, is more of a negative than a wonky landing that impacts the flow and beauty of the presentation? Oh yeah, that makes perfect sense. This sport continues to go the way of the dinosaur and become less and less relevant.
    Well, thank heavens, not everyone agrees with you. The judges got this one right; Caro definitely deserved to finish over Mirai by a lot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by museksk8r View Post
    Well, thank heavens, not everyone agrees with you. The judges got this one right; Caro definitely deserved to finish over Mirai by a lot!
    When I watched Carolina's FS right after Mirai's I thought that she was flying. The speed, the flow and power were obvious after slow and lifeless Mirai (IMO, she needs to get rid of that LP or at least to make some changes). Carolina also feels the music and performs when Mirai hardly even payed attention to it. I think the difference in their PCS is fair because it was two different levels. Wheither Carolina deserved 120 points for that is another story (but, IMO, Mirai didn't deserve 112 either). I agree with the results.

    Adelina is a beautiful skater and I'm sure she will show what she can do very soon. Her coach said Adelina was off ice for a mounth due to injury, so it's understandable she is not in her best shape yet. Fingers crossed, she still has a chance to qualify to the final

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateflower View Post
    It was outrageous that the technical specialist did not downgrade Adelina's severelly cheated 3f+3loop<<<. She prerotated 360 degrees on the ice for the 3loop take off(5'50).

    http://www.youtube.com/user/frida340#p/u/4/UKF5Lbz9Kec

    Poor Mao and Miki. Their 3+3loop got downgraded all the time but Adelina's was worse in rotations.

    Some posters proclaimed this girl could easily win world championships if she's age eligible. I don't think so.
    I think her 3d place says a lot..Her score isn't near Caro or Mirai.Why are you so bitter?

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    Recap of Final result and videos:-

    1. Carolina Kostner - ITA - 182.14

    Short Program

    Free Skate

    2. Mirai Nagasu - USA - 173.22

    Short Program

    Free Skate

    3. Adelina Sotnikova - RUS - 159.95

    Short Program & Free Skate

    4. Kexin Zhang - CHN - 153.32

    Short Program

    Free Skate

    5. Christina Gao - USA - 152.48

    Short Program

    Free Skate

    6. Kanako Murakami - JPN - 150.20

    Short Program

    Free Skate

    7. Ksenia Makarova - RUS - 143.47

    Short Program

    Free Skate

    8. Bingwa Geng - CHN - 142.09

    Short Program

    Free Skate

    9. Valentina Marchei - ITA - 133.86

    Short Program

    Free Skate

    10. Qiuying Zhu - CHN - 108.57

    Free Skate
    Last edited by Mao88; 11-06-2011 at 05:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyla2 View Post
    It is no surprise that figure skating has become a fringe sport, with no mainstream t.v. coverage, with judging like this.
    ??? A fringe sport? With no mainstream TV coverage? LMAO! I guess you must be talking about the US then.. There is mainstream TV coverage in Canada, Russia, Japan, Korea, and now eurosport is showing the whole grand prix series all over Europe. Give me a grip!

    And reagrding the judging; well, it was FAIR! If anyone was overscored in this event it was Nagasu with such a sloppy skate.

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    My speculated explanation for why Kostner scored so high at this event despite her mistakes was because judges saw what she scored at Skate America and decided that she should have gotten more points.

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    I'm not the best judge of underrotation but it looked to me like Adelina landed on the same place where she took off, so how would that be underrotated.

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    I'm getting the feeling that Mirai just can't land her jumps without it taking any energy she has right out of her program. She's so intent on landing them that she doesn't skate to the music and can't seem to perform her program and still do her jumps. It's either one or the other with Mirai she can't seem to do both so she skates lifeless sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILoveFigures View Post
    ??? A fringe sport? With no mainstream TV coverage? LMAO! I guess you must be talking about the US then.. There is mainstream TV coverage in Canada, Russia, Japan, Korea, and now eurosport is showing the whole grand prix series all over Europe. Give me a grip!

    And reagrding the judging; well, it was FAIR! If anyone was overscored in this event it was Nagasu with such a sloppy skate.
    I didn't think her skate was sloppy at all, she might have skated conservatively, but sloppy, IMO, no. Mirai has many lovely aspects to her skating and I hope she continues to grow through the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    I'm not the best judge of underrotation but it looked to me like Adelina landed on the same place where she took off, so how would that be underrotated.
    It's not exactly a good thing to land on the same place where you took off, as it shows a lack of ice coverage on the jump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prettykeys View Post
    My speculated explanation for why Kostner scored so high at this event despite her mistakes was because judges saw what she scored at Skate America and decided that she should have gotten more points.
    Not really! The reason Kostner scored better here then at SA is because of her spins. At SA 2 of her spins were level 1, here all of them were level 4. That is close to 5-6 points more on base value alone, and here she probably got better GOE because the execution was better.

    Her score is a reflection of her improvement, not some judging deal where they sat down and said; listen, lets give her more points here because at SA she was underscored.

    Quote Originally Posted by cjsk8fan View Post
    I didn't think her skate was sloppy at all, she might have skated conservatively, but sloppy, IMO, no. Mirai has many lovely aspects to her skating and I hope she continues to grow through the season.
    Sloppy might have been a bad choice of word, pardon that. But the thing is Mirai skated slow, tentative, arms and upperbody hanging and I must say Spartacus does not give her any benefits. This is a powerful piece of music and what Mirai clearly is not demonstarting is powerful skating. She just skates from element to element, and I must say she doesn't seem well trained. Fine, she landed most of her jumps, but many of them were shaky, small and underrotated. Watching Kostner vs Nagasu live will really give you a chance to see the huge difference and all the work Mirai needs to get done if she wants to be the best in the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    It's not exactly a good thing to land on the same place where you took off, as it shows a lack of ice coverage on the jump.
    Loop is not exactly the easiest jump to get good ice coverage on as the second jump in a combo, especially when it's triple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    I'm not the best judge of underrotation but it looked to me like Adelina landed on the same place where she took off, so how would that be underrotated.
    Where a skater lands has nothing to do with the number of rotations in the air. She could have done a single, double, triple, or sat down on the same spot she took off. If anything, landing on the same spot means less distance and likely less time to complete more rotations, unless she jumps straight up incredibly high to have the air time for multiple rotations. That would have been quite a sight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    It's not exactly a good thing to land on the same place where you took off, as it shows a lack of ice coverage on the jump.
    I meant in terms of where she was rotation wise...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    I meant in terms of where she was rotation wise...
    Oh you meant her position rather than the location. Well, it's the take off and landing position of the skate that matter, not her body position.

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