Ladies - Long Program

[skateflower]

I'm not the best judge of underrotation but it looked to me like Adelina landed on the same place where she took off, so how would that be underrotated.

She rotated almost 360 degrees on the ice for that '3loop' combo after landing the first 3flip. She also cheated a bit on the landing of that 3loop. The on-air rotations of that combo might be just short of 2 instead of 3. It's so blatant. I'm sure you can do a quad if you're allowed to rotate 4 circles on the ice.

I know it's typical to pre-rotate a 3loop. However, if the technical specialists kept on downgrading Miki and Mao's 3+3loop combos, they should downgrade this girl's as well. They need to apply the same standard.

[burntBREAD]

She rotated almost 360 degrees on the ice for that '3loop' combo after landing the first 3flip. She also cheated a bit on the landing of that 3loop. The on-air rotations of that combo might be just short of 2 instead of 3. It's so blatant. I'm sure you can do a quad if you're allowed to rotate 4 circles on the ice.

I know it's typical to pre-rotate a 3loop. However, if the technical specialists kept on downgrading Miki and Mao's 3+3loop combos, they should downgrade this girl's as well. They need to apply the same standard.

While I think the tech panel was a little overly harsh on some occasions with Asada and Ando, the reason why their 3-3loops were being downgraded was because they were underrotated on the landing, it had little to do with the prerotation. Sotnikova makes the rotation on the landing, so it's not underrotated.

[bekalc]

Oh you meant her position rather than the location. Well, it's the take off and landing position of the skate that matter, not her body position.

Yes i meant where she took off position wise, and where it looked like she landed. And I said I'm not an expert too.

[dorispulaski]

AFAIR, prerotation counts, and not in a good way, even in 6.0. In fact, excessive prerotation on a 3T gets called a toe axel, and is why Amber Corwin did not get much credit for her many 3T3T's.

And more to the point, Evan Lysacek used to get his 3A downgraded because of prerotation earlier in the COP era..

[Mathman]

A pre-rotated Axel is a Salchow, right?

[seniorita]

^ Ha where did you hear that from?


Is there a video of a pre-rotated 3toe to see how it looks like?

[burntBREAD]

^ Ha where did you hear that from?


Is there a video of a pre-rotated 3toe to see how it looks like?

Any of Kimmie Meissner's 3-3s. Her toe technique was horrid.

[kwanatic]

COC Ladies Review!

http://thenakedice.blogspot.com/2011...es-review.html

[havefun]

The cheats were bad if you watch them on slowmo. I also think she is starting to deal with puberty issues. The second triple on the combo was more than a half. That will catch up with her in the near future. On that topic did anyone hear Tara Lipinski on Uni Sports dissing Ashley Wagner for not having the technical content ie 3/3 Saying that ladies skating in the US has gone back 20 years. She failed to mention that she was out of the sport before puberty hit and did not compete under IJS. She then raved about the 14 year old that won. IMO winning medals pre puberty means you are a good prepubescent skater. It has little indication of what you are going to do as a full grown lady. Anyway I thought the comment was self serving, arrogant and ignorant. No longer a fan.

[Binthere]

I had the exact same feeling of discomfort from Tara's commentary. I find so much to admire about her career, but I find it eye-rollingly irritating when she either feels the need to constantly inject some aspect of her own experience into so much of her commentary. An analyst should have a point of view, but when it is so grossly skewed with caveats, this is irritating. Similarly, lost some respect for her. She was not blogging on her own. She was commentating for Universal Sports.

[skateflower]

I had the exact same feeling of discomfort from Tara's commentary. I find so much to admire about her career, but I find it eye-rollingly irritating when she either feels the need to constantly inject some aspect of her own experience into so much of her commentary. An analyst should have a point of view, but when it is so grossly skewed with caveats, this is irritating. Similarly, lost some respect for her. She was not blogging on her own. She was commentating for Universal Sports.

Every commentator has his/her own preference/bias. I found Tara's commentary refreshing. It's also very true that ladies skating in the US has indeed gone back 20 years based on technical content & world rankings.

[Mathman]

...It's also very true that ladies skating in the US has indeed gone back 20 years based on technical content & world rankings.

Actually. 20 years ago (1991) the world podium was Kristi Yamaguchi, Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan. The U.S. would be happy if they could turn the clock back twenty years.

[ILoveFigures]

Every commentator has his/her own preference/bias. I found Tara's commentary refreshing. It's also very true that ladies skating in the US has indeed gone back 20 years based on technical content & world rankings.

On technical content, no. On world rankings, yes.

[prettykeys]

I had the exact same feeling of discomfort from Tara's commentary. I find so much to admire about her career, but I find it eye-rollingly irritating when she either feels the need to constantly inject some aspect of her own experience into so much of her commentary. An analyst should have a point of view, but when it is so grossly skewed with caveats, this is irritating. Similarly, lost some respect for her. She was not blogging on her own. She was commentating for Universal Sports.

I agree with you, and I like Tara very much.

Plus, she talks way too much. She needs to rein in on her urge to chat throughout a skater's performance.

[SkateFiguring]

On technical content, no. On world rankings, yes.

Didn't Mathman just show us that US Ladies rankings were the highest ever 20 years back? As for technical content, no American Ladies today comes close to Harding's feat. Twenty years ago was indeed the epitomy of skating glory for American Ladies no other nation has matched.

Actually. 20 years ago (1991) the world podium was Kristi Yamaguchi, Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan. The U.S. would be happy if they could turn the clock back twenty years.

You got to turn back the clock an hour last night, didn't you?