11-12-2011, 09:24 AM
Fantastic for the Shibutanis! They are by far the better competitors and there is so much room for improvement with these two it's scary.
Lol @ people mentioning the world judges already. But hey, I want to play too! hmmm... One could say these countries were rumored to be part of a block back in the 90's
AUS, BLR, CAN, CHN, CZE, FRA, GEO, GER, GBR, HUN, ISR, ITA, UKR
On paper it does look kind of an uphill battle for the S/S . Hopefully all that crap is behind us. Though TEN judges from Europeans??? WOW that's an eyesore!
11-12-2011, 09:50 AM
I'm so happy! The Shibutani's won!!! Well deserved. I actually think they should have placed 1st in their SP too. What a lovely young brother and sister team and their hearts are in the right place - they have skated multiple times at Harvard's "Evening With Champions" charity ice-show to support cancer research.
11-12-2011, 10:00 AM
Really this comment is childish. The Shibs have wonderful deep edges and can generate speed without much effort. Their twizzles are the best in the world equal to Davis & White. With the FD program they have, smiling is a good thing as they are supposed to be enjoying dancing to "feel good" music. If you don' like them, that's a personal preference and that's fine, but no reason to be so snarky.
Originally Posted by gmyers
11-12-2011, 10:20 AM
between the bias pro Shibs and the bias vs Shibs, I'm not sure which one i would take.
Instead i would like to know who had the stroke of genius to chose that unspeakable horror that is IK's music. I guess it's only because the choreographer is not Morozov, that there are no signs of cross wisely placed here and there in the routine. Small consolation.
11-12-2011, 10:31 AM
Off the ice
Here's a brief reminder for those who keep harping about Euro-centric/Russian-led conspiracies:
Originally Posted by Dots
1. There are a lot of countries in Europe,
2. Many of which are ISU members.
3. They are not all alike.
4. Some of them have good relations; others have a history of animosity.
5. There are not many NA countries.
Thus, it is very likely that judging panels will have more European judges than American ones. This does not make them biased, nor are the European judges "an eyesore". But these posts sure are.
Last edited by Buttercup; 11-12-2011 at 12:41 PM.
11-12-2011, 10:48 AM
Wicked Yankee Girl
After losing the internet and cable TV for two days, Comcast has still not gotten high speed on our internet connection, and all my hidef TV channels, including US sports, are missing in action. I am only catching up with NHK dance just now, by downloading the dances one by one and watching them.
However, may I say that all the teams down to 6th place were better than the 2nd and 3rd place teams at Cup of China, at least for being enjoyable to watch! Including the Shibutanis, who look like a different team than last week!
Some of this is due to improvement by the Shibs and a better cast of skaters at the event, but also some of it is due to the truly dreadful video production of the CoC crew-it's not just the skycam; it's also horrible audio, and poor synching of audio to video. This is especially noticeable in ice dance. So I'd like to give a shoutout to the NHK TV crew! Thank you all!
As to the actual skating, the Shibs did that 'a step to nearly every beat of the music, and every step on a beat' timing that is what makes them so charming to watch when you see them live (or have a really good TV feed). I enjoyed their program this week and hated it last week as a result. What their usual arc through a season is is to pick up their speed. Consequently, their skating skills here are lower than they are going to be later. I wish they had gone with a program that was not 1940's, since last year's program was also basically in that vein, but realistically, they are not going to be the US number one team this year, so tactically, their best move is to distance themselves from the other US teams by having the highest TES, and that's what they seem to me to be doing.
And that's unfortunate, because rewarding equal skill by the team members is embedded in COP.
Originally Posted by jcoates
I&K's FD had them skating hand in hand doing crossovers far too much of the time. It was done, of course, to allow them to be skate really fast , but they paid the price in other places. Their twizzles were really interesting (although there is a lot of these opposite direction twizzles going around this year, following V&M's use of them in their FD last year. They look good, but it makes it difficult to see whether they are synchronized well.) Their lifts were a bit shaky (not enough practice?) and simple. And their spin really lacked power. They had these same problems last year.
I didn't hate this program at all, but I would have had it closer to Z&G's LP (which I also liked). I&K should beef up the transitions a bit, if they are capable of doing so at this time.
W&P-I thought this was a lot better than at Skate Canada, despite scoring lower. I thought they did a much better job of conveying their story. It was too bad about the lift and the spin and the twizzle in the SD. Without those problems, they would have won, and indeed should have won.
11-12-2011, 11:43 AM
congratulations to Maia and Alex shibutani for winning your first gp event.
congratulationst o Weaver /Poje, Ilnykh and Katasalpov for medaling good job.
11-12-2011, 12:32 PM
Off the ice
I thought it was clear that it was meant as hyperbole. I have tried to answer some of the more unpleasant posts reasonably, which has not helped. I felt something a bit more attention-getting might do the trick. Upon further reading, I can certainly see how my previous post can be interpreted in ways other than that which I intended. If there is something I dislike, it is lumping a group of people together and judging them based on irrelevant criteria, and I should have been careful to avoid doing so myself; I apologize for not taking care to make my point in a better way. The issues various countries are dealing with belong in the politics section of this website, not in the competition section.
Originally Posted by jcoates
I have edited my previous post accordingly. I realize others have quoted from the original version, and I can't change that, but I've done my share to sort this out.
Last edited by Buttercup; 11-12-2011 at 12:48 PM.
11-12-2011, 12:55 PM
The more I watch the Shibs, the more I like their FD. Loving their twizzels.
Last edited by dorispulaski; 11-12-2011 at 01:33 PM.
11-12-2011, 01:35 PM
Wicked Yankee Girl
I honored Buttercup's wish to remove the part of the post she edited out when it was quoted by other posters. I think she was right to ask for that.
Back to discussing the dance?
11-12-2011, 02:03 PM
Amazing all the hate for the Shibs. Yes maybe they are too cutesy at times but they are still talented kids. And kids are what they are i 20 and 17. To make the GPF after winning bronze at Worlds shows that all the talk of them being buried was premature. They will continue to get better and i like how they seal the deal when they have too.
11-12-2011, 02:20 PM
For two seasons now all they do to interpret and perform is put on these plaster smiles. At this point they really seem to have no ability whatsoever to have any kind of range in a program and are going to do the same thing over and over as seniors. There are different kinds of music. And even if you do do a program where smiling makes sense there is no evidence they can make them appear natural. Their unnatural locked faces are a big distraction. They have chosen to excel technically but clearly have no intent to do anything other than smile in their programs. That's so worthless and dumb when there is so much skaters can do.
Originally Posted by KKonas
11-12-2011, 02:30 PM
You should watch their Tango FD they did the last season of their Jr (2009-2010 season). They sure weren't smiling then - proof positive that they can show expressions other than smiles
Originally Posted by gmyers
11-12-2011, 02:37 PM
Always supporting skaters :)
Success is always met with hate from others...however, Maia and Alex seem to be pretty aware of their perception to certain people and know hoe to power through the mud and do what they do best~ There's no doubt they see the criticism as challenge. And the "hate" and rudeness is always coming from a specific small amount of posters who seem to have accounts created nearly entirely for the purpose of this.
Originally Posted by Jammers
11-12-2011, 03:16 PM
Congratulations Shibs, I mean Maia and Alex These kids are amazing! Love their pure deep edges and precision and great unison. Powerful and light at the same time. W/P improved this season too. congratulations for another podium finish!