T&T got all level 4 except the twist. This is one reason they could get away with glaring mistakes in jumps and throws. S&S got lots of low levels. On the positive side, they have lots of room to improve the total score by just tweaking the elements.
Quite right evangeline, even though I'm no fan of IJS.
Flattfan, S/S programs for starters are more challenging and difficult than anything any of the other skaters in this competition are doing. If you don't agree, then truly you need to view a little more closely and look at all the subtle details. S/S can do all the stuff the other pairs are doing and then some, but they don't sit back and do same old, same old. They are always looking to do something new and different and in the process with their coach, they have pushed the discipline forward. Anyone in the sport could tell you that. Even if they don't say it publicly, everyone knows that S/S are the team to watch and to be inspired by.
ETA: Flattfan, K/S have a nice program for them, especially coming back from their disastrous showing at Worlds earlier this year. Be happy for them. Please stop trying to compare them with S/S. There is no comparison. To be perfectly honest, S/S fp transcends the pairs discipline b/c they are constantly pushing forward for unique ways to express themselves on ice. Their fp further tweaked and trained and with their timing just right could be a masterpiece. Even with their mistakes here, it is a masterpiece in the making. Widen your vision.
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I believe this is enough for T/T to earn a GPF spot. Silver + fourth > two bronzes, so that puts them ahead of the Canadian teams. Very interesting.
Flattfan: Even with the mistakes and their timing off, if you look at the details and subtleties in S/S whole program, how can you deny their above average presentation? If you don't like their take on modern dance or don't understand what they have tried to do with this program, fine. Root for your favorites and stop trying to fathom the judges and CoP -- its a no-win enterprise.
ETA: I don't defend judges, but I do have eyes, heart, mind and soul -- and I can see and feel, and maintain an open mind when superb athletes try to push themselves past their comfort zone and bring something new and different to the ice. OTOH, K/S are just trying to survive out there.
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I'm not exactly fond of the current structure of PCS scoring either, but, hey--rules are rules, whether spoken (e.g. the divorce of PCS from element errors) or unspoken (e.g. the reality of skating in the not-final group). K/S's current position as the #2 Russian team sure doesn't help either.
Toto, I've a feeling we're not in 6.0 any more.Shouldn't PCS reflect the program components of the performance you just saw instead of what you know they can do?
Like I said upthread, Flattfan: I don't defend judges, but I do have eyes, heart, mind and soul -- and I can see and feel, and maintain an open mind when superb athletes like S/S try to push themselves past their comfort zone and bring something new and different to the ice. OTOH, K/S are just trying to survive out there.
S/S syndrome indeed! May we all be so blessed! Thank you, skate gods! End of discussion.
Ouch, a lot of mistakes from pretty much all the pairs. K/S rebounded relatively well from the SP. Too bad for S/S, but you can't be on all the time. They have wonderful programs... They'll be fine. Denney/Coughlin were rather off today. Their usual lovely triple twist was even off. They probably should look into modifying some of those lift positions to try to make them more attractive, particularly the final lift (although a judge gave it a +3?). And Iliushechkina still needs to eat something.
Takahashi and Tran have such beautiful skating. To be fair, he did not really jump any better than her today. To me, their biggest issue is by far their throws. But their overall look on the ice and the gorgeous positions she hits make up for a lot of their weaknesses. They really do have some standout qualities. Still, the fact that they could get the silver here with all their mistakes just shows how poorly skated this event was as a whole.
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