^ He is not blond BLOND??
I finally watched men, yey Song, the 2010 Juniors in full force, I hope him and Hanyu have a great season. Liked his ex also!
From all the stuff I had read here I was waiting Chan worse, but I didnt think he was that bad, he just lost focus after the fall in steps. I liked the last minute of his program, he seemed to skate free. Btw I dont get the hair comments either, he looked the same to me as SC, no?
Ugh Brezina Lp is not my fav, music masacre, but I like his sp a lot so...
Don't remember who said it but there is no +SEQ penalty for 2A not in combo, unlike Triples and Quads
This is not a factor in the SP.
I agree, though that no one plans to fall. That would be a ridiculous strategy no matter what.
But the question was about risk. Score-wise, the risk factor goes down considerably when you have a good chance of getting half credit even if you fail. A skater might feel that it is worth going for the quad if his seccess rate in practice is only 50%, instead of waiting until it is 80%.
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"Interesting choreography and solid composition" hasn't really improved with CoP. The composition of programs has arguably become worse, actually, with elements placed in such a way to maximize technical points rather than to maximize the choreography and meaningfulness of the program. The choreography itself is now much more packed with additional steps, turns, and edges in comparison to the past but that doesn't necessarily mean it's more interesting. Do you think G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1046173/) is a better film than Lost in Translation (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0335266/) since the former had non-stop action sequences that required a lot more manpower and money and complex CGI to create?
Like most things in life, there needs to be a good balance and a sense of purpose. Complexity/difficulty/"busy work" just for the sake of it does not a great sport make. It's good that CoP has brought greater emphasis on pure skating ability back into the sport but that should not be allowed to overwhelm and diminish what makes figure skating truly inspirational - conjoining wonderful movement and positions on ice with music and performance art.
The CoP has many virtues and I can see why the majority of skaters, judges and skating experts like it. But it does place a barrier between the performances and the fans. To me, there is a loss of immediacy. (I know, I know -- the cure for what ails me is to study the rule book some more. )
I chose Javier as an example because (although I do like his skating and am a fan), to me, he is an especially egregious example of this phenomenon. Last season (e.g. 2011 Worlds), Javi was a 6-range skater in PCS. After his short program at Skate Canada, Javi's score shot up to firmly in the 7-range. Now, he skated very well and I see how he has improved in many areas in his skating over the summer, like in CH. So the 7s seemed justified to me. But after the LP, BOOM! All 8s, except for TR. And he really didn't skate as well as he did in the SP either. Even as a fan, I didn't think the 8s were justified.
And yet we are told reputation, momentum, how you jumped, blah blah blah, aren't supposed to affect PCS like that under CoP. So what gives?
But I think that the intuition (if that's the right word) of a panel of expert judges is just as "correct" as the mathematical sums that determine the winner in the current system.
1) The opportunity to have up to two Double Axels in the LP, potentially worth a little more than 7 points in BV (if done in the 2nd half), or more than that of a Triple Lutz
2) Utilizing a slot for a 3 jump combination
The 2T behind the 3Lz was unnecessary as he had no plan of repeating the 3Lz. There are many choices he could have done in lieu of the 4F attempt. For one, he could do a 2A+1Lo+3S combo in lieu of the stand alone 3S and by not doing the 2T off the 3Lz. But more directly, the entire 4F pass could also be replaced by a 2A+2A sequence and pushed to the 2nd half for a 5.80 in BV, more than that of a 3F. I am sure you can agree that 2A+2A is far easier than any 4F attempt, hence he has a much higher chance of getting positive GOE than an almost certain negative GOE from a 4F attempt. Not to mention, the psychological bonus of having a "clean skate" which is a big plus when you are Daisuke Takahashi knowing his PCS potential.
I think your logic is flawed and no better example to illustrate this than Mao Asada's elusive Triple Axel attempt. You actually get less than half of the credit for a Quad or Triple Axel attempt when you receive a << notation. The value is approximately 40% of the Quad. For example, while a 4T is worth 10.3, a 4T<< is worth only 4.1. And if the 4T<< resulted in a fall, the value is most likely = 4.1 - 2.7 - 1.0 = 0.4 From 10.3 down to 0.4, I think it's hard to support your argument of "half credit even if you fail". You could fail a jump in many ways, falling on a Quad is hardly the only or necessarily the most serious way of ruining it. And if Asada's 3A is almost always fully rotated, her coach wouldn't be telling her to skip that jump for now. Because her 3A is seldom fully rotated, not because she falls that much on that jump. Many ladies have practiced doing 3A but few are willing to put it in competition because the whole argument that you get half credit even when you fail is simply untrue unless you are confident to actually rotate and land the jump. I feel the penalty for failing a high value jump is still quite severe.But the question was about risk. Score-wise, the risk factor goes down considerably when you have a good chance of getting half credit even if you fail. A skater might feel that it is worth going for the quad if his seccess rate in practice is only 50%, instead of waiting until it is 80%.