11-19-2011, 10:20 PM
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You can almost see it in the first frame of this (Dick Button's triple loop).
Originally Posted by seniorita
Here is "first arm position" in ballet.
For jumping in ice skating, I think the idea is that this arm position helps you keep your shoulders parallel to the ice and rotating together, or something like that.
As for jumps that come out of nowhere, I don't think Alissa is capable of doing that. I think she is doing the best she can by long, deliberate approaches. It does adversely affect the choreography, but not as much as a bad under-rotation and fall.
11-19-2011, 10:23 PM
I agree re: her arms. This no doubt sounds really nit-picky to anyone not a dancer/dance-lover, but the way Eliza bends her elbows and wrists is horrendous. That alone stops me from enjoying her performances. She has amazing talent, though. I just wish she'd fix that.
Originally Posted by Nadine
11-19-2011, 10:34 PM
Tripping on the Podium
This may sound silly but what determines who makes it to GPF? The British commentator said Alissa "may" make it... How do we know if she does or not?
BTW I think Alissa is getting screwed against Carolina. Alissa is doing 3z and amazing spins... I just don't think when both skaters are "on," that Carolina should be beating Alissa.
11-19-2011, 11:46 PM
Skeptic Satirist Critic Muppet Fan
Uhh there are more than ONE type of skating and style you know.
Originally Posted by crazydreamer
She is doing Besame Mucho, a spanish/latin program, and here are some arm movements for Flamenco dance form (as her costume implies)
I on the other hand would love Alissa doing a Latin program like this and hopefully finally let her hair down instead of sticking to the same old routine and style.
Less is more only if you have more in the first place, and i have yet to see more from Alissa. (As lovely as she is already)
People are surprised by this? She is Carolina
Originally Posted by leafygreens
Last edited by OS; 11-19-2011 at 11:51 PM.
11-19-2011, 11:57 PM
Well there is still one more competition, but in general a 1st and a 3rd gets you into the GPF.
Originally Posted by leafygreens
Here's the breakdown so far:
Mao (13) and Adelina (11) are to skate next week. Mao can get in with a gold (28) silver (26) or bronze (24). Fourth is a possiblity too depending on how others place. (22). Adelina will get a shot with a podium finish (26 for gold; 24 for silver; 22 for bronze)
Alena is also a factor because she has a bronze. If she wins she will have 26, silver 24, bronze 22.
I would say that Alissa is likely in.
11-20-2011, 12:06 AM
11-20-2011, 02:51 AM
well first of all congrats to all the top podium winners
and regarding the Liza debates, well I don't think its hype because she is indeed showing good results
although she has many detractors, I'll just post some constructive criticisms,
her jump technique is very solid all she needs to is to improve in her technicality aspect and the spins
although what bothers me if she will stay with her current height ? I know Liza's parents aren't really that tall
either, she belongs to a native Volga-Finnic Russian people and I believe she is also part tatar and they
tend to be shorter than the average Slavic Russian, but this is going to be a disadvantage if she is will
never grow at least 2in , she might not be able to get improvement on her jumps which is already very good
but power for other technicalities which she needs , spins for instant which is her weak spot now. if she gains a few pounds
with her current height she will have problems already not just with her jumps ,like wght tends to impact like other
prospects Caroline Zhang, Mirai Nagasu etc.
Maybe Elizaveta had her growth spurt but shorter ? lol
but compare her to say Adelina, who has beaten her at juniors comp.
Adelina had her 1st growth spurt around 2009 and after that she regained her no. 1 position and still again beat Liza
Adelina is currently on her 2nd growth spurt cycle which for sure she will survive again, I think she'll continue growing
until 2012 . Adelina imo, will be the best/better in the long run amongst all the new skaters has a+also, huge jumps all she needs is improve her
jumping techniques which is her weak spot which causes her to also sometimes to make flutz, then she'll avoid
the inconsistencies that happened to Carolina Kostner.
Cup of Russia is Next week.? excited to see Mao and Adelina
Adelina avoiding her nervousness like from her debut at Cup of China, A better healed injury and with superb performance again, she may beat Mao
while saying that , still will get Mao hopefully to GPF of course.
Congrats again to all the participants and winners of TEB !
11-20-2011, 07:25 AM
It's so cute how Alissa wished Carolina "Good Luck" before Carolina went out on the ice.
Slutskaya & Cohen wouldn't have done that, those two angry *****
Last edited by dorispulaski; 11-20-2011 at 07:43 AM.
11-20-2011, 09:03 AM