Thank you. I agree completely. Not sure why it's all doom and gloom.Originally Posted by Mrs. P
Thank you. I agree completely. Not sure why it's all doom and gloom.
I can't see what all the "hoopla" is about for Kostner. To me IMO she is a clutz. She reminds me of Slutskaya who also was clumsy. At Skate Canada (I believe) she actually stopped the flow of the program with stumbles here and there. Maybe it's because she's Italian and the judges who are beholden to Cinquanta who's also Italian, give her high marks. She does not deserve those high PCS. Oh, yes, I know I'll be jumped on all over the place for this but its my opinion.
And that is why I reserve judgement till post puberty. And hope that these "phenoms" make it through relatively unscathed.
By the way, has anyone noticed how expressive Liza's arms are? They're always moving, in tune with the music. You can see the emotion from her deltoid to the very tips of her fingers. I don't think I've ever seen anyone like that before. I love it!
Is there a possibility that this wont apply to Liza, like it hasnt applied to a lot of the top skaters? Are you saying Liza will go either too big to skate, or will become OC but alcoholic or will have hip replacement?
If that so, I d better celebrate her wins even more, now there is still time!!
Let's remember that Baiul was an orphane. There might have been a lot more then skating that lead to alcoholism. The three others you mentioned all suffered from bad technique, and in Zhang/Meissner's cases bad basics.
Look at Kim, Kwan, Slutskaya, Witt, etc. There are so many talented juniors that have had wonderful senior careers, and these three are examples of ladies who had very solid technique and basics when they were younger.
If the technique is there and the basic skating skills are solid, then you have a good chance at improving from where you are.
I agree with havefun, Liza has yet to grow cause considering the circumstances right now she has a weight advantage as well which isn't really fair.
I'm really curious how she will do after she has become 15 and doesn't weigh 78 pounds or something.
What isn't fair? Every skater has been 14 at some point. And there are many who were actually better technically after puberty, including Arakawa, Kim, Slutskaya, Butyrskaya, Harding, etc. Caro and Alyssa didn't lose because Liza is 78 lbs, they lost because each needed one more triple to catch her.
I would LOVE to be as klutzy and clumsy as Caro and Irina!
It is not fair for whO??
She will become 15 in December , how much weight can she gain in 3 weeks?
She has grown a lot since last season, and has nice proportions, not all arms and legs so far.
I agree with HaveFun. I can't get too excited about Tuktamysheva at this point because it's so very obvious that she is not physically mature yet. She is just a little kid skating against young women. Of course she can land triple/triples more easily than Czisny and Kostner! She weighs probably 20 lbs less than they do!! Tukt seems very very talented, but I won't get too excited until she passes through puberty and can still land that triple Lutz/triple toe, a la Yu-Na Kim. Then I'll be excited.
FWIW, I disagree with the rules allowing Tukt to compete in the Grand Prix at all. I felt the same in 2005 when Mao Asada came on the scene. I think the age rules for the Grand Prix, Worlds, and Olympics should be the same in any given season. It makes no sense for it to be otherwise.
I just don't agree with the whole concept of having little girls compete against women, in figure skating or any other sport. To me, it seems unfair to both groups. It puts pressure on young girls to perform difficult elements too soon, often leading to serious injuries (such as Baiul's back injury post-Olympics and Lipinski's hip breakdown). And it's unfair to require young women with healthy, mature female bodies to compete against prepubescent kids who are obviously at a huge advantage when it comes to doing multiple rotations, twists, etc. I agree with HaveFun that, if anything, I would prefer to see the age limits raised.
I like Czisny's new jump layout. Assuming the third element is supposed to be 2A+3T, this gives her a solid six triple layout that is within her reach.
Murakami is playing the game well, too. By doing 3Lo+2A seq and 3F+2A seq she can work in seven triples without a triple-triple. Plus, if she misses one of her sequences she has the other to back it up, making sure she gets in the 2A and does't lose a pass.
That wouldn't work currently b/c she is doing 2 Lutzs and 2 Loops. The only way she could do a 2A-3T if she brings back the 3S. I think the 3L-2T was supposed to be a three jump combo.
I think it's OK to do two triple Lutzes, two triple loops, and two double Axels(?) The triple toe is OK because she doesn't have another one in her program, right?
Thank you, well said!
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